Another comment from the Wyoming peanut gallery.
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Do the newer Jewell BR Triggers really suck that bad?
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ttfreestyle
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This^^^^
Geeeze, can't there be an intelligent discussion with dissenting views without getting childish and nasty??
Not here, not anymore, and it's not the moderators' fault. It's the fault of those who write those posts.
Why not compare one of the new BIX n ANDY triggers that Run In the $175-200 range to a Jewel in the same price range and see honestly which one is most consistent? The KIA will cost less than the Rolls and the Rolls will by far be the most luxurious but they both will get you to the same place albeit at very different costs. So lets compare apples to apples on a cost basis. I think both are great and can't wait to try the new Budget priced BIX. If their customer service is close to Jewel's then it is top notch!
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
My little experience with Jewel has been without problems.. B&A a better Trigger? I guess they had better be at the price..
I personally feel the bashing is getting out of hand lately.. Yet, like with the Politics I don't feel censorship is right..
Do you prefer a Ruger over a S&W? I prefer both..
Ray
I personally feel the bashing is getting out of hand lately.. Yet, like with the Politics I don't feel censorship is right..
Do you prefer a Ruger over a S&W? I prefer both..
Ray
Come on people we are all shooters let's not forget that. Some of us can afford to drive Porsches and Lamborghinis others of us are stuck with corollas and cobalts but each of us will get to our destination the same. And for those of us that are stuck with Jewel triggers, such a shame,life is just great !
I don't exactly agree with this statement. People use what works. If you look at short range BR. 20 years or so ago the barrel lists would have been mostly Hart's and Shilens. I believe Krieger and Bartlien are now the top choices. Seems most want cut barrels over button. When quality goes down people stop or slow down buying. Shooters talk among themselves at matches.
The only place I saw big improvements and expenses is scopes. They have gone up more then other components. But then again you have better glass, higher power and more reliability in most. Matt
All of the quality equipment works, Matt. If 75% of the actions used are BAT, a BAT action has a greater chance of being on the winning gun. Same thing for barrels, bullets and scopes. Popularity, percentage used and copycat rule the roost. Look at the rifle and scope used that set and held the SR small group record for more than 4 decades
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That logic just does not make sense. IIRC the Mac McMillan rifle was made up of components that neither were/are popular, widely used, or copied by custom action makers. As a matter of fact in that time period, XP-100 actions were among the winningest in the BR circuit. I believe the action and barrel were McMillan and the scope was Remington 20x. How does that analogy work?All of the quality equipment works, Matt. If 75% of the actions used are BAT, a BAT action has a greater chance of being on the winning gun. Same thing for barrels, bullets and scopes. Popularity, percentage used and copycat rule the roost. Look at the rifle and scope used that set and held the SR small group record for more than 4 decades
BTW, a small group won't get you in the HOF like winning aggregates will.
But the reason the numbers changed is just like the Barrels. They shoot smaller groups and just work. Hart barrels set and held records years ago. Now you don't see very many. There is usually a reason behind it. It doesn't change overnight. If you don't keep up you get left behind. Other cartridges dominated the game before 6 PPC but just like barrels, actions and scopes it changed over the years. Matt
The action was made by McMillan, and other competitors purchased their actions. The button rifled barrel was made by McMillan, highly regarded, and they were on many match winning rifles. The Scope was a 12x Leupold boosted by Wally Siebert to 24x. It was chambered in 222 Remington using hand swaged 50 grain bullets, BL-C powder and CCI BR4 primers. Tony Boyer accumulated many HOF points using button rifled barrels, along with the lowly Leupold scopes and Jewell triggers. A great shooter can win with any of the quality actions, barrels, scopes, etc; etc. The 222 Remington was "popular" and "widely used". It isn't so much what you use, but rather how you use it along with the enormous amount of time behind the trigger to enjoy success. With the quality we have available, any properly machined and assembled rifle is capable of winning in the hands of a top tier shooter. If current competitors were shooting the 22PPC short, Waldog or 220 BEGGS, rather than the 6PPC, those 22's would be winning.
The guy who put this thread on asked a question. I told him what one of the best SR group & score, hall of fame gunsmith's said about the NEW Jewell triggers. I explained what he said about the OLD triggers. I can 't see paying maybe $180.00 for a Jewell only to have to take time to slick it up internally. Time is money and if somebody doesn't have any gunsmithing ability he's going to have to pay a smith how many dollars to work on it. Yes it's still going to be cheaper money wise in the end, but your still not going to have as nice a trigger as the B&A. I'm not saying that installing a B&A is going to make the rifle shoot better. There are still going to be rifles with Jewell triggers winning matches. There are too many variables in this game. In the end, it's the shooter who pulls the trigger at the right time that's going to win, not what trigger is in the rifle. All I'm saying is if you can afford one, it's just a better upgrade IMO.
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