Too many choices but down to 3

[Ksmirk]

Evening fella's! thought's and opinions welcome. I've got the urge for a longer range rifle build, I've got the shorter ranges down and now find myself wanting to step out a touch further (money pit and I'd like your thoughts on the following choices.

300WM, plain and simple but does it have the HP to get the heavier bullets out to 1300+?

7-300WM or 7 Practical, pretty much the same but the 5deg dif in shoulder, really thinking this would be my best bet but not really sure as it's a wildcat and getting the reamer and dies has me worried! Manson I'm sure has one but would it be worth the hassle?

338 Edge, one of those calibers I've always thought would be pretty damn awesome and I'm sure it would be able to go much further than I'll ever be able to find a place to shoot BUT would it be too much for a Savage 111 action? this is my biggest concern.

Like I said my donor action is a Savage 111 so I'll need a new bolt head for the .532 and I'd like to stay with a 26-28" barrel. This will more than likely be a single shot and the chances of it hunting anything but steel plates at range is pretty slim. I'm working on some landowners to have access to a couple of right of ways so my ranges could possibly get to over 1 mile by a touch. LR isn't a new thing to me but I've only had the chance to shoot out to 1300 and the 243 and 284 didn't have much problem getting there but I think that's pushing them and doubt they have enough HP to get out much further. I'd appreciate your opinions on the above calibers, folks have a great evening! Later,

Kirk

 

[boltfluter]

Kirk,
A .300 Win Mag with a Berger 215 VLD.This would be an awesome combination. 1300 yds should be no problem.

Paul

www.boltfluting.com

 

[Ledd Slinger]

The 30 Nosler case is better suited as it has Ultra Mag body width and higher case capacity than the 300 Win Mag, but a shorter case length. Will push the heavy 30 cal bullets faster while giving you more room in the magazine.

28 Nosler is also better suited than the 7mm-300 Win for the same reasons.

Take the 30 Nosler case and neck it up to 338 cal and you can come pretty close to 338 Edge performance with a lot more room in the magazine.

All capable of shots over a mile and would work fine in the Savage 111 action with long high BC bullets

 

[Ksmirk]

Kirk,
A .300 Win Mag with a Berger 215 VLD.This would be an awesome combination. 1300 yds should be no problem.

Paul

www.boltfluting.com

I'm looking for past the 1300 mark, my little ol' 243 and 105 Berger's is getting me to this point already BUT don't think it has the HP to get me further

 

[Ksmirk]

The 30 Nosler case is better suited as it has Ultra Mag body width and higher case capacity than the 300 Win Mag, but a shorter case length. Will push the heavy 30 cal bullets faster while giving you more room in the magazine.

28 Nosler is also better suited than the 7mm-300 Win for the same reasons.

Take the 30 Nosler case and neck it up to 338 cal and you can come pretty close to 338 Edge performance with a lot more room in the magazine.

All capable of shots over a mile and would work fine in the Savage 111 action with long high BC bullets

I did look these over and they are pretty impressive but the reason I didn't choose one was the Nosler tacked onto them, I'm not a fan of being stuck with one option for brass as I'm not really sure about a .543 bolt in a Savage 111 action? just worried about the amount of meat around that round. From what I've read that 7-300WM is about as big a case before you get too overbore with the 7mm bullets but like I said I didn't pay much attention to the Nolser rounds But I do like the OAL of the 30 Nosler but will probably pass due to brass. Later,

Kirk

 

[22DASHER]

Evening fella's! thought's and opinions welcome. I've got the urge for a longer range rifle build, I've got the shorter ranges down and now find myself wanting to step out a touch further (money pit and I'd like your thoughts on the following choices.

300WM, plain and simple but does it have the HP to get the heavier bullets out to 1300+?

7-300WM or 7 Practical, pretty much the same but the 5deg dif in shoulder, really thinking this would be my best bet but not really sure as it's a wildcat and getting the reamer and dies has me worried! Manson I'm sure has one but would it be worth the hassle?

338 Edge, one of those calibers I've always thought would be pretty damn awesome and I'm sure it would be able to go much further than I'll ever be able to find a place to shoot BUT would it be too much for a Savage 111 action? this is my biggest concern.

Like I said my donor action is a Savage 111 so I'll need a new bolt head for the .532 and I'd like to stay with a 26-28" barrel. This will more than likely be a single shot and the chances of it hunting anything but steel plates at range is pretty slim. I'm working on some landowners to have access to a couple of right of ways so my ranges could possibly get to over 1 mile by a touch. LR isn't a new thing to me but I've only had the chance to shoot out to 1300 and the 243 and 284 didn't have much problem getting there but I think that's pushing them and doubt they have enough HP to get out much further. I'd appreciate your opinions on the above calibers, folks have a great evening! Later,

Kirk

I believe your answer is only a click away....

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11238643/1

Enjoy

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I did look these over and they are pretty impressive but the reason I didn't choose one was the Nosler tacked onto them, I'm not a fan of being stuck with one option for brass as I'm not really sure about a .543 bolt in a Savage 111 action? just worried about the amount of meat around that round. From what I've read that 7-300WM is about as big a case before you get too overbore with the 7mm bullets but like I said I didn't pay much attention to the Nolser rounds But I do like the OAL of the 30 Nosler but will probably pass due to brass. Later,

Kirk

The Nosler cases have a normal Magnum .532" rim, just like the Ultra Mag cases. They are basically just a shortened Ultra Mag case. The 338 Edge you spoke of is just a 300 Ultra Mag case necked up to 338. Now there is a 338 Ultra Mag, but that Ultra Mag case is slightly smaller than the 300 Ultra Mag case that is used for the 338 Edge.

You can make the Nosler brass from Remington Ultra Mag cases if need be.

Brass is the least contributing factor to accuracy in a load recipe. If sorted and prepped correctly even cheap brass can produce extremely accurate ammo. Nosler brass is made by Norma for them, so it is good quality. Nosler sorts each box of brass by weight and preps the necks so that part is already done for you.

 

[savagedasher]

My self I believe accuracy beats BC .
And I think most shooters don't handle recoil
With both in mind 300 win mag.
Larry

 

[RonAKA]

Seems to me that the Nosler 28 makes the most sense based on cartridge length, case capacity, and the ballistic advantage of the 7mm.

 

[Gabe22BR]

I've had my dasher to 1500, weather permitting soon to go a mile.
I spot for a 260AI, which has no problem getting to 1850...
Now if you want a ass stomping magnum, with alot of moa added go for it, other wise stick with the 243, fast twist barrel for the heavies...

 

[swd]

The 28 Nosler throated long for 195 Bergers is one hell of a round.

 

[RonAKA]

The 28 Nosler throated long for 195 Bergers is one hell of a round.

The new Hornady 180 grain ELD Match looks interesting too. Should be about 1.6" or longer. Hornady has not provided the ballistic data on it yet though.

 

[IdahoSharpshooter]

just buy a Savage 6.5-284 single shot and load the 140 Berger Hybrids out longer. If that doesn't do it, build a 300 RUM or, my choice, a 338 LM Savage single shot and throat the barrel. I load the 300gr Berger Hybrid to an oal of 3.96" or so. I get 3000+fps with it with the 300gr bullet.

 

[Ksmirk]

The Nosler cases have a normal Magnum .532" rim, just like the Ultra Mag cases. They are basically just a shortened Ultra Mag case. The 338 Edge you spoke of is just a 300 Ultra Mag case necked up to 338. Now there is a 338 Ultra Mag, but that Ultra Mag case is slightly smaller than the 300 Ultra Mag case that is used for the 338 Edge.

You can make the Nosler brass from Remington Ultra Mag cases if need be.

Brass is the least contributing factor to accuracy in a load recipe. If sorted and prepped correctly even cheap brass can produce extremely accurate ammo. Nosler brass is made by Norma for them, so it is good quality. Nosler sorts each box of brass by weight and preps the necks so that part is already done for you.

You would be correct! I was going off memory (sketchy at best) and guess I was thinking about the Rayhill rounds.

 

[Ksmirk]

Doing some more research I don't think I'd go wrong with either the 28 Nosler or the 300WM! when you look into the differences while there is some I don't think it would be all that bad, most of the shooting would be under the 1500 yard mark and until I can get some access to some places may be able to push it out to 1760. Biggest idea for this rifle would be to hit targets at range with authority, I don't have a large caliber LR rifle and the cost of brass for the 28 Nosler really deters me from that caliber!

The 7-300 and 7 Practical really seem like the best fit but ya know I really would rather have something I can find load data and dies at a reasonable price plus I've had my fun with wildcats already so not sure I'd go down that road again unless there is something I'm missing about them but really doubt it I've read more than I care to read about them.

I guess as it sits now I'm leaning toward the 300WM mostly for the ease and price of brass BUT that damn 28 Nosler really has a lot to offer a guy! just don't know if I'll be able to talk myself into the brass cost. Fella's thanks for the input it's helped with my thinking and I appreciate it. Later,

Kirk

 

[d.id]

I am a big fan of the edge.,........Your 111 can easily handle it if you so choose. Once you add the word magnum to anything you might as well embrase a good muzzle brake and clear recoil from the equation.

 

[d.id]

just buy a Savage 6.5-284 single shot and load the 140 Berger Hybrids out longer. If that doesn't do it, build a 300 RUM or, my choice, a 338 LM Savage single shot and throat the barrel. I load the 300gr Berger Hybrid to an oal of 3.96" or so. I get 3000+fps with it with the 300gr bullet.

Curious what powder your using to exceed 3K in a 26"?????

 

[dkhunt14]

Curious what powder your using to exceed 3K in a 26"?????

My guess would be RE33. It usually gives 100 to 150 more FPS over other powders. We ran the 338 Ultra IMP to over 3000 with 300 Bergers. MATT

 

[dkhunt14]

My self I believe accuracy beats BC .
And I think most shooters don't handle recoil
With both in mind 300 win mag.
Larry

Accuracy is important but nothing beats high BC and bullet weight when distance gets out there. If you think a 300 WIN recoils less then a 30 Nosler, you might be in for a surprise. Also from what I have been reading from Alex and a few others, the 30 Nosler seems to be really accurate and easy to get to shoot. I have seen more then one 300 WIN that was really fussy at what it wanted to shoot.

When shooting out to 1700 plus I prefer a 338 because you can see the wash and impacts better. It also arrives with authority at those distances and is less affected by wind. MATT

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I agree. The 300 Win Mag will pound the hell out of your shoulder if the rifle doesn't have a brake. I also like the big 33's when both power and distance are desired. They are very accurate and definitely effected less by wind. Downside is they usually require a muzzle brake.