6.5 creedmoor lapua brass

[Milo 2.0]

With all of these factors below in Lapuas favor why would they make Creedmoor brass?

The 6.5x47 is more accurate then the 6.5 Creedmoor.

I once considered the Creedmoor and asked this same question on many forums. What I asked was if anyone who has both a Creedmoor and a 47L, of their two guns which was more accurate. The answer was 100% unanimously the 47L so I went with the 47L.

Since then other things have come up that have convinced me further of the virtues of the 47L vs Creedmoor.

In this article the author of rifle shooter.com states very plainly that the 47L is more accurate.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/03/6-5-creedmoor-barrel-cut-down-velocity-tests/

Another major thing to think about is the life of the brass. Lapua's last 25 reloads at worst case scenario. While Creedmoor guys struggle to get 10 reloads and most only get 5-7. That means the brass ages fast and it changes from shot to shot a lot more then the Lapua does. This I believe is a major reason for the greater accuracy of the 47L.

I will include a nice graph for you by Precisionrifleblog.com As can be seen in this graph if you shoot a 47L you are much more likely to place or win in PRS. As you can see the numbers for both the 6mm and 6.5mm version are better for the 47L then the Creedmoor. By the way a smaller number is better in this graph.

Next and probably LARGEST REASON the 47L is more accurate is that the 47L has set a hug slough of world records. The Creedmoor has yet to produce ANY and don't anyone say that is because no on is shooting it. There are a ton of people shooting it thanks to excellent marketing. But once again it has yet to produce any winning results.

Next there is that primer pocket. The USA Palma team has proven that small primers produce a smaller ES. And that gives the 47L an edge in accuracy. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/11/308-winchester-large-vs-small-flash-hole-test/

Then there is the cost. At first you would think the CM is cheeper to shoot right? NO it is not. Think of it this way.
A batch of Lapua brass costs $105 for 100. Creedmoor costs $66 for a batch of 100. Noe divide both of those $ by the number of reloads you get out of each. The Creedmoor you are guaranteed to get at least 5 reloads.... well ok lets be nice and say 10 even though practically no one does. That works out to be $0.066 ea. While the Lapua gets at worst 25 reloads that works out to be $0.042 ea reload. That is an astounding 50% difference in cost with the Lapua coming out to be much cheaper to shoot. And we are not even connoting that Small primers are cheaper and the 47L needs less powder to get the same performance as the CM.

Lastly remember that these to cartridges are basically Balistic twins. Both do the same thing ballistically.

I see only one reason to by a Creedmoor. That is factory ammo. If you do not reload then get a Creedmoor but if you reload then it would be stupid to get anything other then a 47L.

What color is the koolaid you're drinking?

 

[jlow]

All I can say is if you are considering buying a 6.5CM because Lapua brass may be available, don't do it unless you see it on the shelves, because even if it becomes available tomorrow, you will be hard press to find any for a long time.

 

[vmaxpro]

I really cant complain. I was so excited to see them bring out the fireball. It turned my 17 and VT into damn near short range bench rifles. I remember on saubier the excitement to hear of the 22-250 brass in the works!

 

[rardoin]

What color is the koolaid you're drinking?

I knew it would not take long for Grimstod to start dogging the 6.5 Creedmoor and extolling the pious virtues of the 6.5 x47L.

I think a 6.5 Creedmoor must have stolen his lunch money.

 

[Grimstod]

I knew it would not take long for Grimstod to start dogging the 6.5 Creedmoor and extolling the pious virtues of the 6.5 x47L.

I think a 6.5 Creedmoor must have stolen his lunch money.

Not really. Your right. I shpuld try to not come of as anti Creedmoor. I thinks its great if you dont reload. Have recomended it to segeral froeds that do not reload. And the vast majority of shooters do not reload.

It does puzzle me that reloaders try to reload for creedmoor

 

[vmaxpro]

Not really. Your right. I shpuld try to not come of as anti Creedmoor. I thinks its great if you dont reload. Have recomended it to segeral froeds that do not reload. And the vast majority of shooters do not reload.

It does puzzle me that reloaders try to reload for creedmoor

I reload for it. I was too impateint to wait for a barrel haha. Once this ones on its way out Im going x47.

 

[dkhunt14]

I knew it would not take long for Grimstod to start dogging the 6.5 Creedmoor and extolling the pious virtues of the 6.5 x47L.

I think a 6.5 Creedmoor must have stolen his lunch money.

Sometimes it is hard for shooters to except facts. I see no Creedmoor in Benchrest. In fact I only see a few 6 or 6.5x47's. Some of them do well and the 6.5x47 just set a new IBS Heavy gun record. These are just facts. Guys have been after Lapua for years to make 300 WSM brass. Between F-Class and BR there are a lot more guns shooting this. Now even a lot of hunting guns are being built because of the accuracy of the cartridge. Even a couple of team Lapua shooters are shooting the WSM. Matt

 

[Milo 2.0]

It does puzzle me that reloaders try to reload for creedmoor

I guess if you can save .40 rd, why would you not. Prime ammo here may be a game changer, I don't recall anyone around me setting the world on fire with factory Hornady ammo. Oh, I guess I've seen smoke from primers being blown out, lol.
With the right powders, 2900+ is easy with the 6.5 creed and a 140gr bullet. Not sure how the x47 and creed are ballistic twins?
The 6.5 creed is and will be for some time the perfect case for newer shooters to get into the LR shooting game, not talking BR shooting either.

 

[Grimstod]

I guess if you can save .40 rd, why would you not. Prime ammo here may be a game changer, I don't recall anyone around me setting the world on fire with factory Hornady ammo. Oh, I guess I've seen smoke from primers being blown out, lol.
With the right powders, 2900+ is easy with the 6.5 creed and a 140gr bullet. Not sure how the x47 and creed are ballistic twins?
The 6.5 creed is and will be for some time the perfect case for newer shooters to get into the LR shooting game, not talking BR shooting either.

47 averages 2850 with 140gr progectiles and can be pushed to 2900

 

[CTK]

I wish that they would make 280 AI brass. Not holding my breath. Not many people shoot 7-08 in competition and they came out with brass for it. That is a good sign that they are willing to make brass for the non competitor.

 

[rardoin]

Not really. Your right. I shpuld try to not come of as anti Creedmoor. I thinks its great if you dont reload. Have recomended it to segeral froeds that do not reload. And the vast majority of shooters do not reload.

It does puzzle me that reloaders try to reload for creedmoor

Just ribbing you Grimstod as you do come across as a bit biased to the Lapua....but not without good reason i admit. I like underdogs I suppose. My current F-class build is a 6.5 x55 BJAI....

If my factory rifle that I am temporarily using for F-class and Field Precision Rifle offered the 6.5 x 47 as an option I would have gone that direction. I have only bought factory centerfire ammo (in the past 15 years) to get brass so I was planning on reloading anyhow; any chambering would have worked but of the 3 offerings, the Creed was the best for me.

 

[CTK]

47 averages 2850 with 140gr progectiles and can be pushed to 2900

I am going to clock some of my loads this weekend. If I get 2850 with 130 VLD's out of my 47L I would be thrilled. I have a 23" barrel and assume these speeds are coming out of a 28-30" barrel. Seemingly most people that load for the 47L, blow past book and software max loads without pause. Perhaps the 47L case is an entirely new standard for pressure tolerance?

 

[Milo 2.0]

47 averages 2850 with 140gr progectiles and can be pushed to 2900

Bullshit.

 

[jlow]

When I looked for a 6.5, I looked at all three - .260Rem, 6.5CM, and the 6.5x47L. I avoided the 6.5x47L because of reported problems with the SRP with the AI AT. Between the .260Rem and 6.5CM, the choice was clear since Lapua brass was only available for the .260Rem. Really as far as I can see, the main reason for the 6.5CM is because there is a segment of the tactical shooters who do not reload and so Hornady loaded ammunition is available for it. So the question is why would Lapua make brass for 6.5CM? i.e. if you want to reload, you've already gone .260Rem and the whole idea of getting good brass is to reload?

I understand with anything, there are outliers i.e. some 6.5CM shooters reload but they are not the majority, so the logic of not making 6.5CM Lapua brass seems logical.

 

[Grimstod]

Just ribbing you Grimstod as you do come across as a bit biased to the Lapua....but not without good reason i admit. I like underdogs I suppose. My current F-class build is a 6.5 x55 BJAI....

If my factory rifle that I am temporarily using for F-class and Field Precision Rifle offered the 6.5 x 47 as an option I would have gone that direction. I have only bought factory centerfire ammo (in the past 15 years) to get brass so I was planning on reloading anyhow; any chambering would have worked but of the 3 offerings, the Creed was the best for me.

I think the Kelbly boys shoot that sweed your talking about. It sounds pretty swwet.

 

[Grimstod]

I am going to clock some of my loads this weekend. If I get 2850 with 130 VLD's out of my 47L I would be thrilled. I have a 23" barrel and assume these speeds are coming out of a 28-30" barrel. Seemingly most people that load for the 47L, blow past book and software max loads without pause. Perhaps the 47L case is an entirely new standard for pressure tolerance?

Lapua does test to 130% of Psi standards where Hornady tests to 125%

 

[KevinThomas]

May as well go ahead and drive a stake through the heart of this thread right now; Yes, we currently have 6.5 Creedmoor in to works. We discussed this one at length in Finland during a new products development meeting a few months back. Several of us were pushing this one rather hard, due to the tremendous feedback we'd taken on the cartridge, and the popularity that the cartridge has already earned. Not a big one in Europe, but the US market is a significant share of our business, and we most definitely do listen to customer input. The first set ups are currently being done, and the initial trial run and in-house testing will be done shortly after that. If all goes well, we'll move on with production and hopefully make the formal introduction of this one during the SHOT show in January.

Hang on guys, it's coming.

 

[Sheldon N]

Excellent news Kevin. Thanks for confirming the rumors.

Personally I think it's a smart move. You'll capture a big share of the reloading market from the Hornady/Norma/factory brass crowd, especially for people who started out with factory ammo and then made the switch to reloading. I'm guessing the number of new sales due to the popularity of the 6.5 Creedmoor will well outpace any "loss" from people who jump from the 6.5x47 over to the Creed.

 

[Auto-X Fil]

Large primer? Either way, great news! I'll be ordering ASAP.

I guess I'll keep shooting Hornady instead of re-working my load for Norma while I wait.

 

[rardoin]

May as well go ahead and drive a stake through the heart of this thread right now; Yes, we currently have 6.5 Creedmoor in to works. We discussed this one at length in Finland during a new products development meeting a few months back. Several of us were pushing this one rather hard, due to the tremendous feedback we'd taken on the cartridge, and the popularity that the cartridge has already earned. Not a big one in Europe, but the US market is a significant share of our business, and we most definitely do listen to customer input. The first set ups are currently being done, and the initial trial run and in-house testing will be done shortly after that. If all goes well, we'll move on with production and hopefully make the formal introduction of this one during the SHOT show in January.

Hang on guys, it's coming.

Kevin, with your permission I would like to quote this post on the 6.5Creedmoor site.