ITAR Registration -- Plan on Paying your Gunsmith more...

[gme]

here's the actual document (PDF) from State, it clearly defines what does and does not require registration, also clearly states "A manufacturer who does not engage in exporting must nevertheless register."

http://pmddtc.state.gov/compliance/...ement to Firearms Manufacturers (Publish).pdf

 

[shortgrass]

www.pmddtc.state.gov/registration

Note the words "Defense Articles". Read the words and do not read INTO the words. Domestic Gunsmiths are normally not in the business of manufacturing, exporting and importing "Defense Articles." Therefore they are exempt and have been by my reading of the language.

Alex

Go to the United States Munitions List. Now go to Catagory 1. (a) Nonautomatic and semi-automayic firearms to Caliber .50 (12.7mm). Notice the asterisk to the right of (a). That designates "Significant Military Equipment". Sporting shotuns with barrels longer than 18" don't fall under this classification.

 

[hogpatrol]

Last year, the State Department via ITAR tried to throw the screws to hunters taking firearms out of the country. They wanted them to apply for and acquire "export" permits. The only way one could get a permit was to have an EIN number so one either had to have one or start a paper company to get one. It was nuts. Customs basically said they weren't going to enforce it and State finally backed down.. Hopefully there will be a similar pushback on these onerous "regulations" that do nothing but burden honest businesspeople.

 

[redrockranger]

I'll supply the pen. And the hammer. Be happy to swing the hammer, too.

This IS a problem for operations like mine, serving a small local market. I might chamber and thread 25 to 30 barrels (an activity that the guidance specifically states requires registration) in an average year. If I were to raise my price $100 per barrel, elasticity of demand would make it almost certain that I'd end up on the short end of the stick. Consumers would do without in this market (the 'vibrant' upstate NY economy) and in many others like it, so we all lose.

Make no mistake - the end game is the disarming of American citizens. Whether through incremental legislative restrictions or smothering regulations or both, that is the end game.

??????? a voice of reason. LIBERALS are smarter than all.

 

[JamesnTN]

Or all the guns smiths could get together under one name such as doctors do with offices. They have Nurse Practitioners work in there offices as Dr's under his license and name. This way one company with say 100 gunsmiths then splits that cost per gunsmith down.

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

I don't know if I'm going to keep fighting this anymore. I've only been in business for a couple of years and it seems they keep trying to make me a felon out of me just for trying to make a living.

I was severely injured in the HVAC field a few years ago........I'll never be able to do that kind of work again nor can I find a job that would be comparable to it. So I went into business trying to make money from a hobby that I enjoyed and to stay off the government dole and actually PRODUCE something instead of sucking the on government tit. Building prefit rifle barrels.....which I seem to be pretty good at from all the reviews.

Between all the fed/state government red tape, FFL laws, and the IRS breathing down your neck, I spend as much time dealing with them as I do working.....and they get all the profits to redistribute to the tit suckers.....It seems the Democrats are going to force me to suck the government tit whether I want to or not!!! You have to be a non licensed lawyer just to understand what all of this means. Part time lawyer, part time barrel maker.

Y'all need to ask for a raise so you can send it to the government, who will then send it to me when I start setting on my butt!!!!

JK!!

I've been working since I was 12 and have no intentions of becoming a government piglet! Never thought I'd see the days this country would become socialist/communist.....

 

[hpshooter]

There are many FFL holders who sell a few guns a year and build a limited number of rifles on a part time basis who will not be able to justify staying in business under this interpretation of the ITAR regulations. I know that a very good friend and competent rifle builder gave up his licensee and shut up his operation during the comment period on the revised regulations prior to the 7-22-16 edict because it was not financially feasible to pay the annual fee to build 6-8 rifles and 10-15 barrels a year. There is no question in my mind that reducing the number of small shops building guns was the main intent of the current changes.

 

[shortgrass]

And now they're sitting around, before dinner martini in hand, snickering about how they put it on the 'bitter clingers', waiting on dinner to be served where they'll discuss how to do it again without involving congress..........

 

[Raythemanroe]

jrs - you miss the point and continue to do so. this is a blatant action to burden small bnusiness with more taxes. 2 or 200 barrel jobs is not the issue. and not all of us are happy to pay 5$ more just because of a definition change .

He understands completely, his blindness is a 100% intentional.. It is also a 100% intentional to try to label any opposition to the constant attack on the 2nd amendment as illogical..

Ray

 

[double g]

Nothing but stealing. DG

 

[284winner]

I pay the gunsmith who builds my guns the amount he charges. I don't question the amount, and have no problem paying for quality and perfection. If that means paying an additional $5.00 for a chambering job…. so be it. When the prices become unreasonable, i'll use my longbow's and sell the guns. Adding a couple of dollars to a chambering job per barrel isn't a big deal. Sounds like many responders have never owned a business.

Thinking most of us have more guns than we need now( if there's such a thing). Probably won't have to resort to stick and string even tho many of us do that as well. It's the Smith's that will pay for there love of the hobby or career. That's too bad. God help this nation if Hillary gets her way. If there are as many idiots as there were after Obama's first 4 years,we'll have her for another 4 as well.

 

[swd]

I just got off the phone with one of my best friends who's brother is the Excutive Director of Gun Owners of California and it IS as bad as we all thought. If you're a gunsmith that does any significant machine work you have to register. The NRA and GOA are working on it. I still don't know when it goes into effect has anyone figured that out yet??

 

[swd]

Nothing but stealing. DG

That and now knowing for sure who has the ability to make guns a reality.

 

[nfhjr62]

With all the MALARKEY with the paper work is also something about ammo manufacturing and what about the HAND LOADER for his or her use??????????

 

[knguyen]

Or all the guns smiths could get together under one name such as doctors do with offices. They have Nurse Practitioners work in there offices as Dr's under his license and name. This way one company with say 100 gunsmiths then splits that cost per gunsmith down.

James, that is a brillinant idea, it also would be legal as long as they are identified as being of the same corporation or business. Very smart thinking.
khanh

 

[Swift4Yotes]

death by a thousand cuts......

 

[shortgrass]

Anyone remember the talk about banning M855 5.56mm ammo from sale to the public, awhile back? Remember the uproar over that? I'd suggest the same strategy, flood your congressmens and senators in box and phone messages with your concerns over this. Get their attention.

 

[shortgrass]

James, that is a brillinant idea, it also would be legal as long as they are identified as being of the same corporation or business. Very smart thinking.
khanh

Every location requires a seperate FFL. You'd have to put them all under one roof!

 

[boltman223]

I agree with everyone that this is a bunch of BS.

Not to down play it, but don't forget this is only an executive order not a law. This is just a way for our government to bully gunsmiths.

And maybe a excuse for rustystud to raise his prices. Just teasing rusty.

 

[rickiesrevenge]

Anyone remember the talk about banning M855 5.56mm ammo from sale to the public, awhile back? Remember the uproar over that? I'd suggest the same strategy, flood your congressmens and senators in box and phone messages with your concerns over this. Get their attention.

Already sent an email to mine!

Aaron