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A Constitutional Question

Lapua40X

California Hunter Education Instructor
If the "undue burden" test proved applicable in today's Supreme Court ruling on the Texas abortion access law, why wouldn't it be applicable to California's recent gun control legislation. Read the ruling and the constitutional arguments on similar issues where states passed laws that essentially challenged previous rulings of the high court (everything from equal rights to commerce) and you be the judge.
 
You have mistakingly assumed that our legislatures in Sac actually care about and respect the constitution :confused: I think our state is too far gone. I'm not we can ever get out state back from the idiots. They seem to multiply too fast. 8 years until my daughter is out of school and I'm gone...
 
Possibly due to the SCOTUS majority ruling on the Second Amendment. "The right to keep and bear arms is subject to regulation". The brief was authored by Justice Scalia.
 
And besides, you're talking about CALIFORNIA. You can bitch all you want, it ain't gunna change!
You can "Get outta Dodge" but it'll probably end up being the same somewhere else. The country has gone Liberal. That's why "that female person" is so popular. Just the thought makes me want to PUKE!!
That's like the NRA calling me and telling me to call and write Boxer and Feinstein. Do you really think either of them gives a $hit what we "the taxpayers" think? Good thing both of the worthless pieces of crap are on their way out.
 
I’m neither well learned nor the great communicator, so no way did I author this. Thanks belong to CGDustDevil, an Arizona rancher, for posting this on another forum …


CGDustDevil wrote:
“Scalia did a very subtle but clever thing in Heller, and for his brilliant effort, we should erect a monument in his honor! What Scalia did was to separate the individual right to keep and bear arms FROM the 2nd Amendment. Instead he focused his opinion on the fact that the individual right to keep and bear arms is a natural right, not a "Constitutional Right". And he's not making anything up... This is truly the original intent of the Founders! Citizens and gun groups have mistakenly and dangerously drawn the connection between the 2nd and the individual right to keep and bear arms. Historical evidence is plentiful that should convince us to believe that the 2nd Amendment restricts governments from infringing on the right to keep and bear arms as a function of promoting parity in arms and supplies between the 'militia of the several states' and the central government. The individual right to keep & bear comes from the Declaration and the Judeo-Christian concepts of our God given (aka 'natural) right to life, liberty and property. And since the militia is made up of 'the people' (excluding federal participation by design), there are no Constitutionally legal ways to enable disarmament of the people either with or without a proper and Constitutional 'militia of the several states'.

We MUST agree that The Creator (Be it Almighty God or simply the natural right of humans as the dominant species) is the source of our rights, or a future Unconstitutional kangaroo court will take out the 2nd Amendment with the expectation that they can then disarm us. Politicians can throw the 2nd Amendment away (which they've pretty much done anyway) but they simply cannot take our right to keep and bear arms as a component of the 2nd Amendment. THEY must understand that they do not have that authority within or without the 2nd Amendment.”
CGDustDevil (Pete in AZ)

&& once again …

CGDustDevil wrote:
Trouble is they do not see themselves as corrupt, nor does Congress (for obvious reasons) and most importantly, nor do the bulk of our citizens! They (and the majority of the citizenry) see the institution and justices as enlightened and omnipotent. The justices themselves do not even understand anymore (even Scalia!) that their role was NEVER intended to make or strike down laws. I'm sure that Scalia KNEW the difference, but he sure wasn't gonna be the only one standing around with a Constitution in his hands trying to fight 'city hall'! He well may have had plans to try to wrestle things back in a more Constitutional direction as Heller suggests. But he too was the product of the 'legal system' that lives and dies on 'legal precedent'. (Another totally cockeyed concept that our Founders would have raised hell about!!)

The bottom line is that at conception, their (SCOTUS) job was to offer opinions on special cases that may come up between states, or where the United States was a party. It was NEVER intended to 'make law', or there would be no need for the Executive Branch!

The Federalist papers make it perfectly clear what the remedies are for a runaway court & Congress. Impeachment, dethroning, elections. When so-called 'laws' slipped through the cracks and did not pass Constitutional muster, we (the citizenry) were to simply nullify them. Once nullified by the peoples' collective inattention to the statute, we were to throw the bums out and get new bums who'd pay attention to their oaths and the Constitution!

The Legislative branch makes the law... The Judicial branch High Court evaluates the laws when necessary and offers their opinion. If The People decided that the law was wrong or Unconstitutional, we were to nullify via jury nullification if anyone fell victim to the Unconstitutional laws. Our long term remedy was to get rid of the offending representative(s) who sponsored the illegitimate law.

But... The court veered off their intended path in the early 1800s when they for the 1st time exceeded their authority and reversed a state law, Unconstitutionally. (Fletcher v. Peck, 1810) This case originated when Georgia passed a law which reversed land deals in which members of Congress were involved and suspected of being involved with bribery. The Georgia law would reverse the deal if the offending Congressman/men were implicated. It's not hard to figure out why the SCOTUS came down the way they did when you understand where the court physically sat in relation to our elected officials! Yeah, they used to sit in the Capital after the government moved to the District of Columbia in 1800. No chance of any mischief there, eh?

Anyway - SCOTUS (under John Marshall) reversed the Georgia state law quite Unconstitutionally, which essentially prohibited the state from interfering with the business of Congressional bribery! Incredible as it seems, that's where the court crossed the Constitutional line between "Opinion" and "Law". And it should be no surprise to find out that land capers STILL disgrace our Congress. (Ask Harry Reid why Cliven Bundy is the ONLY rancher left in the Southern Nevada area...)

Once the SCOTUS went off on their little Unconstitutional tear in 1810, we've been in trouble to one degree or another ever since.

It got really screwy in 1907 when Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes admitted in a speech: “...we are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is...”. But 1907 was just when the speech took place. The actual legal debauchery most certainly was well underway by that time. Still, the court held to some guidelines as to the types of cases it would hear. That practice and a whole lot more went completely and utterly to hell in the 1930s under Roosevelt.

Ever since then, Congress has used the court to legislate what they cannot pass legislatively. There's a understanding of detente with reference to the court now for that reason. And in fact, the party system has gotten SO good at playing the American public, they can pit one side against the other at will. This means of course that they can support privately ANYTHING because they know the court will 'save the act' in most cases. Yet they still have the appearance of 'taking sides' which promotes excitement for 'their side'.

In fact, 'their side' is BOTH sides anymore. They could pass a mandatory dog-turd-for-dinner bill that NOBODY wants, and if the SCOTUS happens to think the people should have dog turds for dinner periodically, they'll make law out of it. All Congress has to do is pass it and get a few legal challenges. SCOTUS will do the rest.

This is why they accepted Obamacare... Both sides wanted it, but one side had to oppose it and one side had to promote it in order to generate excitement and votes at election time. Republicans of course have cashed that check 3 times now without having to drop their trousers even once. Now they're rolling out their 'alternative' to Obamacare JUST in time for the 2016 election.

It's all political theater. Congress, court, all of it. Which is why I'm no longer particularly interested in which side 'wins', because it no longer matters. The two parties are a facade, and the court makes the law for the highest bidder.
CGDustDevil (Pete in AZ)
 
It's all political theater. Congress, court, all of it. Which is why I'm no longer particularly interested in which side 'wins', because it no longer matters. The two parties are a facade, and the court makes the law for the highest bidder.
CGDustDevil (Pete in AZ)

By and large, Presidental elections as well as Supreme Court makeup is defined by the "mood" of the country. And those appointed to SCOTUS further that political drive that helps define direction. And like Pete in AZ, it is becoming harder all the time to view this two party system as either feasible, or useful. I say that because we've seen an obvious decline in the quality of candidates who end up being one of the power party's candidate for President. We've gone from a "pool" of candidates to a "cesspool" of candidates. History alone has shown time and time again, that the world's greatest "empires" have always fallen from within, not from without. Living in California since the early 60's, has shown me such a decline in the quality of even those worthless politicians in Sacramento thanks mostly to the liberals who've run the place into the ground. Still, my greatest worry in who wins this election is the appointment of Justices to SCOTUS. Beyond that, the White House is gonna have a stink no matter which IDIOT gets the majority of the vote.

May God bless America and saves us all from those IDIOTS.

Alex
 
By and large, Presidental elections as well as Supreme Court makeup is defined by the "mood" of the country. And those appointed to SCOTUS further that political drive that helps define direction. And like Pete in AZ, it is becoming harder all the time to view this two party system as either feasible, or useful. I say that because we've seen an obvious decline in the quality of candidates who end up being one of the power party's candidate for President. We've gone from a "pool" of candidates to a "cesspool" of candidates. History alone has shown time and time again, that the world's greatest "empires" have always fallen from within, not from without. Living in California since the early 60's, has shown me such a decline in the quality of even those worthless politicians in Sacramento thanks mostly to the liberals who've run the place into the ground. Still, my greatest worry in who wins this election is the appointment of Justices to SCOTUS. Beyond that, the White House is gonna have a stink no matter which IDIOT gets the majority of the vote.

May God bless America and saves us all from those IDIOTS.

Alex
California is a lost cause,they are like my state of Connecticut.The liberals and the uneducated outnumber those with common sense.If Hillary gets elected then I fear the next American revolution will soon follow.Blood in the streets is not something to relish but fear and prepare for the worst.
 
You are trying to compare two circuit courts and come up with a commonality. The 5th and the 9th are so different. The 9th is the most overturned circuit court in the country. Each court has it's own distinct makeup, and really trying to make sense of it all will give you a migraine. The only thing that crosses is the decisions. A decision handed down by the circuit almost always becomes the accepted decision in all circuits until challenged and appealed.
 
The government in the USA was never intended to become “our” single largest non-military employer, and especially not to end up with a .fed/gov that has armed more of “its” civilian employees than we now have armed US Marines.
 
.... The 9th is the most overturned circuit court in the country. ........ A decision handed down by the circuit almost always becomes the accepted decision in all circuits until challenged and appealed.

Except in the case of California which has a far better chance of reversal. To make matters worse, CA hasn't yet recovered from the Rose Bird California Supreme Court of the 78's and 80's. That was a group of LIBERAL IDIOTS that put down some of the most UNBELIEVABLE legal thinking in modern history. Imagine, there was case before it brought by a bad guy who raped a women and inserted a piece of a 2x4 into the woman's vagina. On sentencing, the trial court found the defendant, in addition to rape, was guilty of Great Bodily Injury (GBI). That allegation/enhancement, was found true, adding another 5 years to this POS' sentence. Upon appeal and writing for the majority (if you can believe this) Chief Justice Rose Bird wrote that the act of inserting an object into a woman's vagina did not constitute GBI, even though the woman required extensive surgery to repair the damage caused by the 2x4. The best thing that happened to California was when Rose Bird DIED in where else, Stanford, CA, which is not far from UC Berkeley both of which are in the heart of San Francisco, the most liberal bunch of IDIOT MORONS you'd ever want to come across. Of course, we do have some choice fellow MORONS (i.e Diane Feinstein, former DA from San Francisco) serving in Congress today whose brains are still lacking, probably due to overuse of Phencyclidine (a depressant used on animals). Honestly, I doubt even Mexico wants California back after whats been done to it.

Alex
 
I don’t dispute your statements, but I can’t verify them either. I lived in the Bay Area for 19 years. I know those you speak of. Sen. DiFi hates guns and tells everyone. Yet she has a Ca CCW and carries a cute little snubby in her purse, or at least she did when I lived there. I know this because I have checked it in for her when she would come to the airport to claim that worthless Hubby of hers. The State of California is a great place to live, but you have to avoid both major cities. LA and SF are two of the strangest places on the planet for the most part. But the 9th Circuit is indeed the most overturned court in the land…so far.
 
I don’t dispute your statements, but I can’t verify them either. ...

Not sure what you are looking for in terms of "I can't verify them." I don't openly discuss my background (that began in 1971 and spanned 31+ yrs within the Criminal Justice System) in any open forum. But would direct you to the archives of the California State Supreme Court while Rose Elizabeth Bird (a UC Berkeley graduate) sat as Chief Justice. There were several cases heard before that Court and all their decision (both majority and dissenting) are published and available for review. I do not recall the specific citation for the case I referenced, however invite you to research the Court's decisions on a variety of topics during Bird's tenure as Chief Justice.

Alex
 
Not sure what you are looking for in terms of "I can't verify them." I don't openly discuss my background (that began in 1971 and spanned 31+ yrs within the Criminal Justice System) in any open forum. But would direct you to the archives of the California State Supreme Court while Rose Elizabeth Bird (a UC Berkeley graduate) sat as Chief Justice. There were several cases heard before that Court and all their decision (both majority and dissenting) are published and available for review. I do not recall the specific citation for the case I referenced, however invite you to research the Court's decisions on a variety of topics during Bird's tenure as Chief Justice.

Alex
Thank you.
 

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