Time to get out of Dodge!

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  1. Toby Bradshaw

    Toby Bradshaw Gold $$ Contributor

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    More than you might think.

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  2. spencerhenry

    spencerhenry Silver $$ Contributor

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    I am far from bitter and unhappy, but thank you for suggesting that.

    Just because there are taxes higher somewhere else does not mean that I have to be happy paying what I am, there are much lower tax rates in other places.

    The point of this thread is that I want to get out of a place that does not provide what I want in life anymore. If I am describing a place I want to leave, it makes no sense to accentuate the positive, you don't decide to sell a car and then tell yourself how much you like it.
    Many tax increases were voted down, but there were plenty that were not. The local bus service got a property tax increase, the park district, every fire department, etc... I know the ownership tax on a vehicle goes down as it depreciates, exactly what does that have to do with the price of tea in China???

    And, lastly, it is liberalism. Hunting and game management is not free from the destruction of liberals. Liberals demand all these parks, free concerts, higher regulations to force people to be "green", all of that costs money. Where is the money going to come from? Taxes and fees.

    The state of Colorado decided many years ago to place maximum "hunter opportunity" ahead of hunter satisfaction. The problem is that maximum "hunter opportunity" really means maximum revenue. It is my belief that the state has mismanaged the game populations for maximum revenue at the expense of the resource, a resource that will not recover any time soon. What happens then, when the hunters no longer come here because there are no animals left and the quality of hunt is very poor? Their revenue stream will dry up, when that happens, how will they manage the game herds that they say they already do not have the funds to manage properly? I am involved with the meetings the state has for season structure, and management objectives, and I vote in every election.
     
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  3. spencerhenry

    spencerhenry Silver $$ Contributor

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    Perhaps you should look a little deeper into it. I am NOT in the southwestern part of the state, and the elk populations are in the toilet. I live in unit 444, central to west central. I have been told by the local DWM, and his boss that the elk population in this unit is down by 60% from 10 years ago. It is also not just this unit, it is also units 47,471,43,44,45, those are the ones I know the population is down, very far down. Cow tags have been reduced 80% in the last 8 years. The deer population in 444 is at about 60% of objective and has been below objective since the late 90's. Unit 43 has/had a big problem with deer in the last few years, fawn production was very low.
    There are newspaper articles about every month or two lamenting the lack of deer and elk in the Roaring Fork and Eagle valleys. The cause is believed, by many in the DOW that I speak to, to be the over use of the habitat by people.
    I have spoken at great length with local DOW people, biologists, DWMs and others, they all say the same thing, the populations are down, and still dropping. They also tell me that they do not have the ability to stop Denver from issuing numbers of tags that they do not agree with. The high numbers of tags are issued by and desired by the number crunchers. Once parks merged with wildlife, it was downhill from there.
     
  4. spencerhenry

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    1. Wildlife officials propose drastic reduction in Brush Creek ...
      www.vaildaily.com/news/wildlife-officials...
      EAGLE — Since 1995, Colorado Parks and Wildlife's population estimate for the Brush Creek Valley deer herd has been set at 7,000 animals. But the actual deer population in that area has hovered around 2,200.
    1. Deer and elk harvest still strong in valley | AspenTimes.com
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      In addition, the wildlife division says the Roaring Fork Valley can no longer provide habitat to support deer and elk herds at historic numbers. The condition of the winter range, in particular, has declined, according to Will.
    1. Minturn elk herd is declining | VailDaily.com
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      While the Minturn elk herd may be the most depleted, Will said herds throughout the region have been affected by human interference. Will said herds are depleted in the Roaring Fork Valley. And, while it seems there are a lot of elk around the town of Eagle, the herds there are in decline, too.
    1. Mule Deer Habitat Work In NW Colorado - krai.comThe BLM will continue work with the Mule Deer Foundation this summer to improve mule deer habitat in Northwest Colorado. The mule deer population has been on the decline in our area, and the BLM has partially attributed the falling numbers to decreasing habitat quality, and habitat loss.
     
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    Wait until the wolves make it down that far from Idaho and Montana. The elk population won't be doing anything that remotely resembles fine. They have about a 400 mile gap to get across but they will eventually colonize Colorado also.
     
  7. spencerhenry

    spencerhenry Silver $$ Contributor

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    Craig, Aspen, and Vail are far from the southwestern part of the state. Elk populations are not doing well here, haven't been for years. Just the headlines I posted show there is a problem and not just in the southwest. Aspen and Vail are central, Craig is considered by most to be northern.

    When am I moving? Well, right now I am looking for property. I am retiring from my business as a framing contractor in at the end of 2020. I still take care of a ranch near my home here, that property owner is also looking for property away from here. They nearly bought a property in Montana last summer. My plan is to be set up somewhere else by the end of 2020. In that time I need to find a suitable property, build a hangar, build a home, and scratch in a runway. I am being very selective about the new property, I don't want to trade one set of unsatisfactory conditions for a different set.
     

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