Discussion in 'Small Stuff--22s, 20s, and 17s' started by rookie7, Jun 7, 2019.
Terry what brass are you using?
I have an old (1997) Colt HBAR (CAR) with a 1:9" SS barrel (unknown round count, but well above 7K) that shoots 5-shot groups of 50gr Vmax w/H335 under .5 moa all day long.
Savage 10FP with Shilen barrel. 24.6 Varget and 75 gr A-max.... 5 shots in the cluster. One lone fly I called above the others so I fired a 6th shot.
Accurate enough for me to make HM with it in F/TR midrange.....
The 223 Rem is probably one of the best for developing your shooting skills without breaking the bank. Shooting MOA groups is so easy a cave man could do it, but what was amazing to me is how much skill and preparation it takes to shoot under a 1/4 minute.
I'm on my second 6BR, have a 308 with Shilen SM barrel too, and have tried 6.5 CM and 22-250, but my favorite is still the good ol' 223. It shoots tiny, low cost groups in cheap copier paper targets, perfect for my kind of beer budget target shooting.
+1 I have found the exact same thing, I have gone through many stages and always look for the .223 when I just want to enjoy things . You can use range brass to Lapua and still get great results with some meticulous case prep and loading without spending a ton of money .It is my favorite for load testing,keeps my mind fresh looking for the perfect combo. Low recoil is an added bonus.
Savage 12 BVSS with Shilen match barrel.
90 VLDs, 24.2g Varget, 205M primers, Lapua brass. 2,725fps, 7 SD, 17 ES
Shoots 5 shot groups at 100 in the 1’s and 2’s
My 15 year shoots it in F Class. Here’s a practice target he shot at 500 yards
Early Factory Savage Axis with 7 lb triigger. Did have to tighten the loose scope base.
Fun and cheap.
oops, forgot this one. one of the smallest groups i have ever shot
223 - BENCH REST LOAD 0.224 1 in 9" For bullets up to 70 gr. ,I shoot a Sierra 52 gr. HPBT Match #1410 , NORMA Brass, Federal 205M -Small Rifle Primers. Hogdon-H335 27.2 grs. @ 3448 fps Boron Nitrade - 0.0235 Wide X 0.189 High 100 Yard BENCH REST LOAD!!!
Well it sure works well for me.
Thanks for lookin
I have an AR 15 that I out together here at home, including milling the lower. Bought a no name 24 in fluted bull barrel. I never expected the kind of accuracy that this gun give's me.
Top right is one hole as the bottom left. 26.8 gr of CFE223 and a 55 gr Hornady. I load the bullets close to the lands and hand feed them one at a time. For this gun I don't drop powder, I weigh the powder for each round. Won't compete with my 6mm PPC on a consistent basis. The 6mm PPC is always fired in 5 shot groups and is deadly accurate at under 200 yards but that's what it was designed for.
Friend of mine has a $340.00 Savage he bought off the shelf at Cabella's and it is a tack driver and has been right out of the box.
Bear in mind, that I do use a very good benchrest set up, which is very stable. I honed the trigger a
to 2.3 lbs.
This gun out shoots my Remington 22-250 every time.
I agree with Gary.
Rookie, if you're still reading, look at that above post. Clearly, despite their username being a little "progressive", the shooter doesn't suck at this stuff. It takes about 98.5% shooting to assure yourself of points margin to "MAKE" High Master.
For F-T/R, that's a 1 MOA 10-ring at 300/500/600. I'd be willing to bet that 50% of those tnes were inside the 1/2 Minute X-ring as well.
If you need to shoot smaller groups than 3-5" at 600 yards, you probably do indeed need a bigger cartridge.
Bob Gill, a pretty "okay" Long Range guy, also chooses to shoot .223 at 1,000 yards. He is a bit of a masochist to be sure, but he does succeed at some of the highest levels.
One thing to add. It's a hell of alot cheaper to shoot, meaning you can shoot it much more. By cheaper, I am talking brass. .223's are like Lays tater chips, no one can have just one.
My experience has been a .222 will shoot inside a .223....some of the old guys shooting bench rest at the range shot .222 when it was “king” of the hill and still shoot them. I believe I recently read an article where 222 is still a top selling round in Texas....
I don't think there's much doubt of that, and if you look at the rounds, it's pretty easy to see some of the "why".
That being said, I bet it won't do it at 600 yards. (Though I WOULD really like to have the bearing surface support of that longer neck).
If the .223 Remington could have had most of the .222's neck length, the 5.56 NATO's web, and a 30-degree shoulder, it would have been everything it could'a been, and given up little-or-nothing. Kinda like a .222/35, but longer.
Nothing like some of the 1 hole groups on here but I have a bone stock 700 SPS-Varmint (minus the Timney 510) that has shot a 0.390" 5 shot group at 100. 50gr Vmax with H335. It will be shooting PDs this weekend.
First 5 rounds from a Shilen Ratchet barrel, 200 yards prone, sling, and 4.5X March scope, shot by the 2016 P100 winner. Load; 75 Berger VLD, 24.3 H4895, jumping 0.040.
should have my Shilen Select match 14 twist .222 barrel here by mid july. gonna be a shoot off between it and my current fantastic .223 Shilen Select match 14 twister. big fun, fer sure
I think Teele 1 has about the most accurate 223 Ive seen. I saw some of his groups the other day at the range and they were phenomenal.
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