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Xact Versus Midas?

Lapua Midas has consistently served me well over the years. These days finding ammunition can be a challenge. I have not really shot any Xact. Based on your experiences is Xact a better/more consistent ammunition?
Thank You,
Scott
 
I went down this road last year with Xact. I did not find it any more consistent than Midas+ at all (Several lot #’s). I think it comes down to the same thing, there are good lot#’s and there are some that are sub par and your gun will be different than someone else’s. I’d take a good lot of Midas+ over a avg lot of X-act anytime…. I’m betting the test centers get very little request if any for X-Act testing…
 
One problem with testing X-act is, they haven't made enough lately (different lot #'s)
for someone to test them.
Plus at twice the price of Center X is cost prohibitive.
If you did find one, might be many months before it comes up for sale again
let alone the correct lot number.
They do very limited runs of it compared to Center X or Midas +
Usually you can find a great shooting lot of Center X and it comes up for sale monthly.
 
One problem with testing X-act is, they haven't made enough lately (different lot #'s)
for someone to test them.
Plus at twice the price of Center X is cost prohibitive.
If you did find one, might be many months before it comes up for sale again
let alone the correct lot number.
They do very limited runs of it compared to Center X or Midas +
Usually you can find a great shooting lot of Center X and it comes up for sale monthly.
Actually, Lapua's goal every time they start a production run is to produce X-act, because of the stringent requirements they don't end up producing a lot of different lots. None of the production runs are set for a particular Laupa line such as Midas+ or CX grading determines what it ends as.
Brunos has 2 cases plus another 200 boxes. they also had 5 different lots of CX
Champions Choice has 325 boxes of X-act

only testing will tell which will shoot best for you.

Lee
 
Lapua Midas has consistently served me well over the years. These days finding ammunition can be a challenge. I have not really shot any Xact. Based on your experiences is Xact a better/more consistent ammunition?
Thank You,
Scott
Your question is kind of loaded as only testing in your rifle will determine if is better than another ammo line Lapua makes. for others to answer your question some will yes and some no as far as is if it is better over Midas+
for me I have tested about 5-6 different lots of X-act and never bought any in quantity I didn't see the need to. I am currently shooting Pistol King and doing decently with it.

Lee
 
only testing will tell which will shoot best for you.
I broke down the ammo used on a recent trip to the Lapua test center Ohio.
My shooting buddy and I each shot samples of 20 separate lots of Lapua. Of the 20 lots 4 were Midas+, 12 were Center X and 4 were X-Act. We shot 10 rounds of each lot. (some lots tested poor before reaching 10 rounds and were cut off early). If the lot showed promise you shot an additional 10 rounds. The lots that showed promise out of my rifle were all 4 of the Midas+ lots, 3 of the 12 lots of Center X and 2 of the 4 lots of X-Act. My best lot was a lot of Midas+ with the 4 Midas+ lots in the top 5. One of the 3 lots (of 12) of Center X made it into the top 5. I was not impressed with any of the X-Act lots.
I am shooting a Penrod 2500X and my buddy was shooting a Stiller 2500X. Both with 4 groove Mullers.
I understand this testing was only 20 rounds each so not a lot of statistical significance as my good friend Landy would warn me.
The point I am trying to make here is none of, at least, the top 3 lots out of my rifle were the same as the top 3 lots of my buddy's rifle.
So, I am agreeing with Lee.
"Only testing will tell which will shoot best for you".

Danny
 
Bottom line is XAct is the same ammo as Midas+ and CenterX except that the Lapua factory has deemed through final testing that XAct performed the best, Midas+ is very good, and CenterX meets some minimum quality standards.

I’ve tried a couple of lots of XAct and many lots of CenterX and Midas+. In my guns none of them perform consistently better or worse. It still comes down to lot to lot differences. And whether I feel like spending twice as much for ammo that is no more likely to be a great match for my gun.
 
Actually, Lapua's goal every time they start a production run is to produce X-act, because of the stringent requirements they don't end up producing a lot of different lots. None of the production runs are set for a particular Laupa line such as Midas+ or CX grading determines what it ends as.
Brunos has 2 cases plus another 200 boxes. they also had 5 different lots of CX
Champions Choice has 325 boxes of X-act

only testing will tell which will shoot best for you.

Lee

Couldn't have said it better Lee, thanks for this post!

And also as Lee says, ultimately it comes down to what shoots well in your particular rifle.

IMHO the grades exist for a very specific purpose. It has always been easier for me to select a great lot of XACT simply because these lots are already culled to a very high standard. Through the years, I used both Midas+ and XACT (whatever tested the best that season), and both are amazing, but you owe it to yourself to check out XACT if available - it is exceptional ammunition.

All the very best,

kev
 
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Bottom line is XAct is the same ammo as Midas+ and CenterX except that the Lapua factory has deemed through final testing that XAct performed the best, Midas+ is very good, and CenterX meets some minimum quality standards.

I’ve tried a couple of lots of XAct and many lots of CenterX and Midas+. In my guns none of them perform consistently better or worse. It still comes down to lot to lot differences. And whether I feel like spending twice as much for ammo that is no more likely to be a great match for my gun.
Your's is an ongoing analysis, which makes me question if these manufacturing grading procedures are worth anything to differentiate levels of quality. And/or finding a lot your rifle "likes" is equally as important.
 
While the manufacturing process is shrouded in understandable proprietary secrecy, the following is generally acknowledged.

X-Act is the same ammo as Midas + and Center X. It is different only in that the grading process determines what lots become X-Act. Other lots become Midas, still others CX.

A single production run may produce lots of each variety of Lapua standard rifle ammo (X-Act, M+, and CX). Expect a production run to produce fewer lots of X-Act than Midas, and fewer lots of M+ to be made than of CX.

Just as they grade the ammo, the match ammo makers grade each ammo component -- e.g. the bullets, the casings, the propellant, and the priming compound. Perhaps even lubricant can be graded, or at least freshened as appropriate.

Lots are distinguished from each other by a number of factors, including the grade of the components, by adjustments to loading machinery, by the replacement of parts, by the change of technical personnel etc.
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What follows is speculation. It may be reasonable to expect that ammo makers such as Lapua intend the component grading process and results to help make their ammo as consistent as possible. In other words, it's possible that Lapua seeks to use the best grades of components in the best grade of ammo, so that X-Act is made of the top graded bullets, casings, propellant, and priming compound.

If the above is correct (remember this is speculation only), this would presumably involve the loading machinery to be "loaded" with the constituent components in such a way that they come together in the actual loading process at the same time and place. In short, the best or top-graded components would be arranged to become X-Act.

The components graded to other "levels" might be arranged to come together in the loading process to produce the next "grades" of ammo, Midas + and then Center X.

If the loading machines and loading process are themselves characterized by the production of better products at certain points in the production run -- e.g. at the beginning or in the middle or toward the end of the production run -- then this can be taken into account when preparing the run.

If it can be taken for the moment that the above is close to the way the ammo makers approach the production of ammo, it would mean that the ammo could be graded by what it is supposed to be. In other words, the best components are supposed to become X-Act, the next best Midas +, and the next best after that Center X (the left over becomes pistol ammo?).

In short, a production run might be tentatively graded according to the components and possibly by where in the production run they come together.
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Some additional speculation:

If true, this would potentially make unnecessary the tedious process of testing by shooting, something that would surely be a time-consuming bottleneck to ammo production. Testing by shooting could serve to additionally confirm the grading process.

If true, this might explain some things. While the process described may work well most of the time, there may be batches of ammo that for one reason or another aren't what they are supposed to be, that is X-Act or Midas, or Center X. This might account for why some X-Act is outperformed by some Midas, and why some Midas is outperformed by some Center X.

In other words, if true it might explain why sometimes shooters get a lousy lot of X-Act or other variety of match ammo. Sometimes a system that works most of the time doesn't work all the time.

The above is of course speculation, guesswork that may or may not be close to the mark.
 
Your's is an ongoing analysis, which makes me question if these manufacturing grading procedures are worth anything to differentiate levels of quality. And/or finding a lot your rifle "likes" is equally as important.
In my experience so far, finding a good lot match is everything and the label on the box (CenterX vs Midas+ vs XAct) or (Match vs Tenex) matter nothing. So they’re not equally important. The grading affects my final bill so when I get into a Lapua tunnel I stick with Midas+ and CenterX and that’s been plenty.

That said I’m comparing top end match ammo products made on the same production lines.

I would not assume ten lots of SK Rifle Standard will give me the same success as ten lots of CenterX because they’re not made on the same lines to the same standards. I would happily lot test SK products but that’s not really an option. So my success with SK is hit or miss because I don’t buy much of it.

I did collect some chrono data that suggested the XAct had lower velocity SDs than the others but it’s not a lot of data and the correlation is already weak. So maybe velocity is a grading metric(?)
 
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If someone were able to take a 2500, a Trident, a Turbo, a RimX a Stuhl, a Rem 40X and a Win 52 to the Lapua factroy. and shoot them like the factory tests the lots. Would they have the same grading effect as the factory test rifle?
How many thousands of rounds does the factory shoot thru a barrel before changing the barrel.
How does the factory determine what batch of Ammo is X-act, Midas+ and Center-X.
A batch that the factory determines is X-act from their test rifle. May be no better that a batch of Center-X in another rifle?
Has anyone ever been able to talk with someone at the factory on how they test the batches?
Would love to see a video of their testing, if they would allow one to be filmed!
 
Bottom line is XAct is the same ammo as Midas+ and CenterX except that the Lapua factory has deemed through final testing that XAct performed the best, Midas+ is very good, and CenterX meets some minimum quality standards.

I’ve tried a couple of lots of XAct and many lots of CenterX and Midas+. In my guns none of them perform consistently better or worse. It still comes down to lot to lot differences. And whether I feel like spending twice as much for ammo that is no more likely to be a great match for my gun.
Your's is an ongoing analysis, which makes me question if these manufacturing grading procedures are worth anything to differentiate levels of quality. And/or finding a lot your rifle "likes" is equally as important.
 
When I started working in the early 70s there was a department called Quality Control, meaning turn the machines on and in the end QC would decide on the quality to grade the product. Over the years and many buzz word programs it was learned that quality is built in and established by the process, QC evolved into being a lab, quality improved, and costs decreased. All approaches relied on improving the 5Ms: manpower, machinery, methods, measurement, and materials; understand these and improve the knowledge of each and the quality will be right. Those who got it right also knew they must also understand their customers "process". It would appear the bullet producers have a bit to improve.
 
Couldn't have said it better Lee, thanks for this post!

And also as Lee says, ultimately it comes down to what shoots well in your particular rifle.

IMHO the grades exist for a very specific purpose. It has always been easier for me to select a great lot of XACT simply because these lots are already culled to a very high standard. Through the years, I used both Midas+ and XACT (whatever tested the best that season), and both are amazing, but you owe it to yourself to check out XACT if available - it is exceptional ammunition.

All the very best,

kev
Hi Kevin,

Glad I got that straight was going by memory from 2016. please tell Adam and the crew at Lapua what a great job they are doing producing some great ammo. just one complaint please make more of it!
I am hoping to get into the Mesa tunnel in June.

Lee
 
Just my experience...I have been to the testing center a couple of times with different firearms, and Center X has always produced the best groups in my particular rifles. I have tested rifles used in unlimited and factory class with X-Act, Midas+ and Center X. I like the end result and price but always feel Midas+ and X-act should give me better results than they do. Guess I am lucky that the "cheap stuff" shoots well in my rifles.
 
The one box of ExAct I bought shot the highest score ever in my Walther KKM on the IBS BR-50 target, 250-19X, however, I simply can't afford the price. Midas + and Center X have given me competitive scores in my Club matches when I can keep it available.
 
Couldn't have said it better Lee, thanks for this post!

And also as Lee says, ultimately it comes down to what shoots well in your particular rifle.

IMHO the grades exist for a very specific purpose. It has always been easier for me to select a great lot of XACT simply because these lots are already culled to a very high standard. Through the years, I used both Midas+ and XACT (whatever tested the best that season), and both are amazing, but you owe it to yourself to check out XACT if available - it is exceptional ammunition.

All the very best,

kev

I agree we have to try it. I ordered the 12 boxes Creedmoor Sports had, today. I have never shot it. Midas has been my upper limit.

When I read that sometimes the tiers overlap or switch orders, I have been curious about something that is a rather dark thought, but what makes Lapua’s really good ammo tamper proof? Don’t the trays of bullets, and the bullets themselves all look alike from Center-X on up?
 
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Couldn't have said it better Lee, thanks for this post!

And also as Lee says, ultimately it comes down to what shoots well in your particular rifle.

IMHO the grades exist for a very specific purpose. It has always been easier for me to select a great lot of XACT simply because these lots are already culled to a very high standard. Through the years, I used both Midas+ and XACT (whatever tested the best that season), and both are amazing, but you owe it to yourself to check out XACT if available - it is exceptional ammunition.

All the very best,

kev
I think Kevin is right on with his comments. I had a very good lot of Midas+ that has been shooting extremely well in my 2500x. I had the opportunity to try (3) different lots of X-Act. One of those shot better than the Midas+...soooo I now have a case of that lot number of X-Act. Very expensive though. 7315br
 

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