Wolf primer misfire

[ar10ar15man]

you must have some strange connections in the shooting world...
you buy primers for $10/1000(costly to recoup $50...on a case )..in 2009/2010 when most were huning for primers.
but at the same time have no clue how to return hazmat material...

in the early days of wolf primers..we got lots of complains on ftf...in nearly every case it ws operator error. failure to seat the primer to the bottom of the primer pocket. once that was done correctly the primers went off on a regular basis.


have you done a physical inspection of the primers ?? do see if there is a build issue ??

the company offered to refund your money, but you seem to delight in complaining about them instead.

you have a good day

lets see. one of the biggest primer plants in the world. suppliers to many commercial companies, and some how you get an entire sleeve of 5000 srm primers and not one of them will go off....
simply amazing....................................................

( maybe you could explain how you KNOW they are ALL duds...and if so why are you keeping them ???)

Thank you so much for your pleasant sarcasm!

FYI, if 1 out of 10 failed to fire, chances are extremely good that the enitre lot has the same problem...doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. From a competition point of view, every single one can be considered a worthless dud!

Why do I keep them you ask? I would not feel right selling or giving them away to a fellow shooter or competitor knowing they are faulty. I called Wolf on them, they acknowledged the problem and offered a full refund if I ship them back. One problem, good luck finding a hazmat shipper to take 5k of primers from a Joe shmoe to send back. If I did, it would be pretty costly to recoup $50 in the end. So, I'm keeping them for a rainy day to load plinker AR rounds with them.

By all means, if you want them, your more than welcome to them in a FTF cash transaction.

 

[afrench]

i've shot a bunch of the small rifle wolf primers and haven't had problems but the last batch of Tula primers have a problem. about 3 or 4 per 1000 are missing the anvil.

 

[ridgeway]

Taildrag....they did not offer return shipping. The guy told me to find a hazmat shipper and send them back. I called around and could not find one in my area. I'm not worried about it...they will make good AR plinkers.

 

[ridgeway]

you must have some strange connections in the shooting world...
you buy primers for $10/1000(costly to recoup $50...on a case )..in 2009/2010 when most were huning for primers.
but at the same time have no clue how to return hazmat material...

in the early days of wolf primers..we got lots of complains on ftf...in nearly every case it ws operator error. failure to seat the primer to the bottom of the primer pocket. once that was done correctly the primers went off on a regular basis.


have you done a physical inspection of the primers ?? do see if there is a build issue ??

the company offered to refund your money, but you seem to delight in complaining about them instead.

you have a good day

I don't have an exact number in mind, but they were around $20 per 1K plus $25 hazmat and shipping. So I have roughly $140-$145 into them. So Wolf would refund lets say $100 for their primers and I subtract a hazmat fee and shipping, what would that leave me with? Exactly, not worth it one bit. I've wasted more money on than that on stuff, not worried about it.

Honestly, I am the least bit worried about 5K of Wolf primers. I'm not saying they don't shoot, but if I get a FTF rate of 3-6% from a box of 100, you might as well write the entire lot off when shooting BR. No way around it and no hard feelings toward Wolf. I simply choose not to buy them and use something that is 100% reliable, atleast so far.

FTF is a known issue with Wolf, no complaints, just stating the facts. And yes, they pass visual inspection and no, not a user error.

I usually have a good day...some are better than others though.

 

[timeout]

Hey Ridge, I agree a FTF would be bad when shooting benchrest. what would really chap my behind though would be a FTF when I had the crosshairs on the thurdy pointer! ;D

 

[Old Navy]

In the early 1980s I was reading a book on the differences between Communism, Socialism and Capitalism. The Russians would set quotas for their factories, unfortunately the factories couldn’t get the needed materials to meet their quotas.

In a Russian pajama factory they had a cloth shortage so to meet the quotas they just made short sleeves pajama tops and shorts for bottoms.

At a trade fair in Bulgaria a Russian asked the Bulgarian Representative what did they change in the jelly recipe, because the jelly tasted so good. The Bulgarian looked at the Russian in surprise and said comrade we just follow your Russian recipe. Apparently there was a sugar shortage in Russia “but” the jelly quota was met.

It looks like the Russian primer quota has been met.

As a side note at a Washington D.C. gala event an American reporter asked the Russian ambassador what he thought the difference was between Capitalism and Communism. The Russian ambassador replied without hesitation that under Capitalism man exploits man, and under Communism its just the other way around. :

And sometimes to meet quotas Tula non-corrosive primers leave a little to be desired.

That is ugly. Good enough reason not to use them. I have had exactly one CCI failure in the last 15K + rounds. Don't see any reason to change now. Later! Frank

 

[ar10ar15man]

question...
tula ammo or tula primers on ammo you loaded ??

And sometimes to meet quotas Tula non-corrosive primers leave a little to be desired.

 

[308sako]

I agree they are Wolf primers, I apologize as I thought they were sourced from the Tula factory... whatever... they are what they are.

 

[FroggyOne2]

Well I think I have figured out the issue with the FTF with the Tula SRM primers. It is indeed the anvil, out side of the already duly noted issue of missing anvils, to which I have only encountered one primer like that. What I have noticed is, the anvil, if it is not all three stirrups of the anvil are sticking up beyond the lip of the primer cup, then there may be an issue with FTF. I have only seen this issue using the LC brass, because it is so dang hard to get the primer seated. With the BR brass, I didn't check the primers before seating them. But I just got home from doing a load test at 600 yards with the 't have a FTF with them at all, where as before seperating the primers out visually for the position of the anvil, I was getting at least one FTF in every 20 shot match I had. Heck yesterday, I had 5 out of ten fail to FTF during a ladder test. This is what brought me to look at the primers a lil closer. More observation will be needed to ensure that may be the culperate to the problem. It would be good if some others whom been having the same issue to try this and report their findings.

 

[ar10ar15man]

have you check your firing pin protrusion ??

the comment about being hard to seat...in mil brass..are you actually getting them seated to the bottom of the pcket ?? if not seated to the bottom..only luck will get them to go off.

it is always possible that you have a bad batch of primers..schit happens..but not likely.

simple math...i order between 25,000 and 50,000 per month,,,,for the last 36 months(up till december).
aprox half are use in production of retail ammo, the other half are sold to retail customers.
from my primer sales...no complaints....from ammo sales i had one complaint from one customer...

that is somewhere around 1,500,000 primers..with one complaint.....probably average in the industry.....who knows.

 

[FroggyOne2]

Dude, it is a Barnard, that is all I have to say about that.


Yes they getting to the bottom.