Wolf primer misfire

[Turbulent Turtle]

It happened again this weekend during the match. I pulled the trigger, heard the click and nothing. I lifted the bolt, closed it, aimed and pulled the trigger a second time. Still nothing.

I had to remove the cheekpiece, pull out the bolt and then reassemble the rifle and move on to the next round, which fired fine. I set the dud aside in my shooting box for inspection at home.

This morning, I pulled apart the cartridge and save the primer. This is the second dud I have had in this batch of 5000 Wolf primers. I am working on my third box of 1000 primers in this batch. I got this batch in 2011, I believe and just started using it at the end of 2012. I had a misfire a few matches ago and my second one this weekend.

The last time this occured when I popped the primer it fell in the buckt with thousands of used primers so I did not look fr it. But this time, the bucket was empty so I have the dud.

The dud primer has no compound in it. Nothing. It's empty. I thought that was probably the case for the last time also and ever since then I have been inspecting the primers to make sure they have white in the cup. These cases were primed before I had the prior misfire, so I was not looking for it. Now I am.

 

[wapiti25]

Which wolf primer is this? The mix in my large and small Wolf and Tula have a pink or salmon colored pellet. Are these the "green" no- lead based primers? I had heard of others having problems on the internet forums with the "Green" primers.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

The box says Wolf Performance Primers. Large Rifle Primers, Standard Non-corrosive.

The bottom of the red and black box says NCLR Lot No. 11-09 Made in Russia.

The barcode is 45611 60010. The compound inside really looks white or very light beige or something like that. It's not the lead-free stuff, the 'green' stuff.

 

[ar10ar15man]

slightly off topic, but in the thought.
when you look at a primer, from the top you see the anvil and a colored material.
the colored material is a SEALANT above the priming compound.
every manufacture uses different colors in differeent applications...
large rifle and large pistol are close to the same size..(height is diff)so the color lets you know which is which....
same for small pistol small rifle smal rifle 223..etc....they can all be sorted by color,,,
you can tell a win lr from a rem lr by the color....

now on to out regularly scheduled program.

yep always inspect primers before use..cause schit does happen...

it should be part of your work habit to inspect all primers for uniform looks prior to use..very fast eye scan is all...

i once found a primer with no anvil....

 

[308sako]

I too have found several "bad" primers with my Wolf branded primers from the Tula factory. Visual inspection has become a must with these.

This is just one of the problem primers.

Still I would not change my usage of these as they produce the best accuracy and uniformity as measured by targets or the chronograph.

 

[wapiti25]

I'm useing Wolf large rifle primers lot # 2-09 and large rifle magnum lot # 3-09 The color that I can see of the pellet is different in each and so is the anvil, one is brass the other is copper. The color of my pellet in the large rifle is the salmon color and the mags are a lavender. I did notice that the primers are packaged with the cup up so it is easier to inspect when you first slide the box open. Good Luck

 

[bigedp51]

In the early 1980s I was reading a book on the differences between Communism, Socialism and Capitalism. The Russians would set quotas for their factories, unfortunately the factories couldn’t get the needed materials to meet their quotas.

In a Russian pajama factory they had a cloth shortage so to meet the quotas they just made short sleeves pajama tops and shorts for bottoms.

At a trade fair in Bulgaria a Russian asked the Bulgarian Representative what did they change in the jelly recipe, because the jelly tasted so good. The Bulgarian looked at the Russian in surprise and said comrade we just follow your Russian recipe. Apparently there was a sugar shortage in Russia “but” the jelly quota was met.

It looks like the Russian primer quota has been met.

As a side note at a Washington D.C. gala event an American reporter asked the Russian ambassador what he thought the difference was between Capitalism and Communism. The Russian ambassador replied without hesitation that under Capitalism man exploits man, and under Communism its just the other way around. :

And sometimes to meet quotas Tula non-corrosive primers leave a little to be desired.

 

[taxman]

I have used a few thousand large and small rifle mag Wolf primers. I have never had a misfire until recently. I was fire forming 308 Palma brass in a .243 improved. Why, because 308 brass is cheaper than 243 brass. I had 1 primer not fire, it did light but not the powder and a couple mis fires and a couple hang fires. I quit after 10 rounds, all but 1 primer eventually fired. I am a low volume shooter so I load 1 case at a time with a K & M primer tool and look at each primer. I have never had a bad visually looking primer, deformed or lacking an anvil.
I have shot over 2,000 Sr mag Wolf primers in 6mm PPC, over 500 in 222 Remington and 800 Lg rifle mags or so in the 243 AI, all lit fine.
It pays to visually inspect everything, especially for competition shooting
My two pennies worth for today!

 

[ar10ar15man]

THESE ARE NOT WOLF PRIMERS BRANDED AS TULA..
the primers come from murmon apparatus factory IN RUSSIA and are packaged for the current retailer/supplier.
in the past it was PMC, then WOLF and today TULAMMO...ir is not TULA AMMORY

I too have found several "bad" primers with my Wolf branded primers from the Tula factory. Visual inspection has become a must with these.

This is just one of the problem primers.

Still I would not change my usage of these as they produce the best accuracy and uniformity as measured by targets or the chronograph.

 

[wapiti25]

It pays to have spare rounds on the line just in case. I once lost one shot during a rapid fire string as I forgot to put a primer in the case, I took too long reaching and loading an extra round. Took me from second to fourth, if I had shot that round an 8 or better I would have had second.

 

[Raythemanroe]

Probably would of caught it if you were sorting your primers by weight!

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I always have plenty of rounds on the line. I plan for the day when I get 20Xs at 1000 yards and get to continue shooting until I drop out of the X-rings. I don't want to run short on ammo.

raythemanroe, who does that?

 

[Raythemanroe]

I did it once I guess if your gonna check all of them now you may as well right?

 

[ridgeway]

Nothing new with Wolf. I still have 5k of SRM duds from a 2009 lot. Never purchased Wolf again and never will.

 

[boogershooter]

I also have a batch SRM that I have had several duds. But after reading this post I will check them out visually to see if I can see any difference in appearance. A fellow shooter also has had issues.

 

[ar10ar15man]

lets see. one of the biggest primer plants in the world. suppliers to many commercial companies, and some how you get an entire sleeve of 5000 srm primers and not one of them will go off....
simply amazing....................................................

( maybe you could explain how you KNOW they are ALL duds...and if so why are you keeping them ???)

Nothing new with Wolf. I still have 5k of SRM duds from a 2009 lot. Never purchased Wolf again and never will.

 

[ridgeway]

lets see. one of the biggest primer plants in the world. suppliers to many commercial companies, and some how you get an entire sleeve of 5000 srm primers and not one of them will go off....
simply amazing....................................................

( maybe you could explain how you KNOW they are ALL duds...and if so why are you keeping them ???)

Thank you so much for your pleasant sarcasm!

FYI, if 1 out of 10 failed to fire, chances are extremely good that the enitre lot has the same problem...doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. From a competition point of view, every single one can be considered a worthless dud!

Why do I keep them you ask? I would not feel right selling or giving them away to a fellow shooter or competitor knowing they are faulty. I called Wolf on them, they acknowledged the problem and offered a full refund if I ship them back. One problem, good luck finding a hazmat shipper to take 5k of primers from a Joe shmoe to send back. If I did, it would be pretty costly to recoup $50 in the end. So, I'm keeping them for a rainy day to load plinker AR rounds with them.

By all means, if you want them, your more than welcome to them in a FTF cash transaction.

 

[ridgeway]

My dud lot is 6-09.

 

[Taildrag15X]

lets see. one of the biggest primer plants in the world. suppliers to many commercial companies, and some how you get an entire sleeve of 5000 srm primers and not one of them will go off....
simply amazing....................................................

( maybe you could explain how you KNOW they are ALL duds...and if so why are you keeping them ???)

Thank you so much for your pleasant sarcasm!

FYI, if 1 out of 10 failed to fire, chances are extremely good that the enitre lot has the same problem...doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. From a competition point of view, every single one can be considered a worthless dud!

Why do I keep them you ask? I would not feel right selling or giving them away to a fellow shooter or competitor knowing they are faulty. I called Wolf on them, they acknowledged the problem and offered a full refund if I ship them back. One problem, good luck finding a hazmat shipper to take 5k of primers from a Joe shmoe to send back. If I did, it would be pretty costly to recoup $50 in the end. So, I'm keeping them for a rainy day to load plinker AR rounds with them.

By all means, if you want them, your more than welcome to them in a FTF cash transaction.

If WOLF said send them back they should of given you a instuctions on how to pack them and UPS would of picked them up, Federal did for me, all I did was rebox them in the case, tape it closed and about a week later the Brown truck came and picked them up.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I did it once I guess if your gonna check all of them now you may as well right?

Glad to hear you only did it once, because I was ready to ask you for your address to send you a dollar so you could get yourself a life. We dodged a bullet here.

What I have been doing is checking over the primers when I load a pack of 100 in my handheld priming tool. Then as I place the case in the shellholder of the tool I take a quick peek at each primer. If I see the white or ecru-colored stuff, I'm happy.