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Will a reasonably priced Spotting Scope see the bullet holes?

I have a nice Kowa scope, but if I want to see bullet holes, I use my camera system. I can easily see 22 long rifle dots in the black when shooting at 200 yards, and can set up the viewing monitor in front of me so I don’t have to break position to view, or have to worry about bumping once I’m in position.
 
Funny to hear you say this about Pentax it is one of the few that can resolve bullet holes at 1000 .... And these bird watchers rave about them..... jim

I agree. There have been times that the Pentax PF100ED saw bullet holes @ longer ranges, and guys were shocked that their Swarovski's could not.
 
You don’t need to spend much to see bullet holes at 200 yards and even much further if you know what to buy. For anything 300 yards and under, my high power Trijicon riflescopes will easily see the holes. Can even see holes out further if conditions are good.

I have owned two different Meopta S2 HD 82mm spotters (one with 20-70 ep and one with 30-60WA ep), Vortex Razor HD spotter, and even the renowned Swarovski ATX with 95mm objective and 1.7x magnification extender. I sold all of them.

I used to do all of my load testing at 500 yards and have recently moved the target back even further to 635 yards for all my load testing. I have used the Meopta S2 and Swarovski ATX 95 to spot holes at 500 yards during testing. Both did well with a slight nod going to the Meopta because it handled any mirage and detail in low light slightly better.

So why did I sell those top of the line spotters with such great glass? Well I stumbled upon some old forgotten optics that will easily compete with the best European glass on the market today.
The answer to all you need is Nikon Fieldscope ED. But NOT the new Nikon stuff, the old Japanese built ED field scopes from 20-30 years ago. Those are the forgotten gems that can be found for very cheap prices online.

I purchased an old first gen Nikon 60ED P compact spotter a few years ago as a pack scope. It came with a fixed 20x eyepiece and a fixed 40x eyepiece. I paid only $200 for the whole setup straight from a seller in Japan. The glass is absolutely phenomenal with vibrant colors and razor sharp edge to edge resolution.

The last time I shot test loads with a 300 NMI rifle at 635 yards, all I had on hand for a spotter was the little 60mm Nikon ED spotter. I had never used it for spotting bullet holes in targets because it only has 40x magnification capability but it was my only chance so I set it up and dialed in on the target. With the 40x ep, the target focused in razor sharp and detailed as everything else does so my confidence was high. I fired my first 3 round group then got up and looked thru the little Nikon. To my surprise, the bullet holes were so clearly visible in the off-white color paper that it blew my mind! I fired another 3 shot group and looked again. The holes were even perfectly visible in the black lines of the little sticky target I had on the paper! Without a doubt, the little 30 year old 60mm Japanese ED spotter was showing bullet holes much better than I had ever been able to see with the Meopta S2 or Swarovski ATX 95mm. I just couldn’t believe it. How was this possible??? Such a small objective with only 40x magnification was outperforming the most expensive European glass with magnification capabilities of 70x or more!!! The Nikon wasn’t just a little better at seeing the holes, I mean it was NIGHT AND DAY difference! Not kidding in the least.

I continued my shooting session testing loads and hand mapping out the groups with a pen and paper to keep track of impact points. The little Nikon could pick out the holes so clearly that it seemed nearly effortless for the glass. Absolutely unreal!

I have since purchased another old Japanese built Nikon 78mm ED Fieldscope. It is equally amazing. Got it with a 25-56x zoom eyepiece and fixed 75x wide angle eyepiece straight from Japan again for only $599 shipped. In all my years of playing with some of the best optics in the world, I have never seen such amazing glass for such a cheap price as these old forgotten Nikon ED spotters. Even with price not being a consideration at all, I would put this glass up against the best European optics in the world in all situations and I know it would easily perform right there with them and even better in many situations.

After my surreal experience spotting holes at 635 yards, I looked up old reviews on the Nikon ED spotters from back in the day. This was back before any of us even really knew what ED glass was. I wanted to make sure I didn’t have some extremely rare cherry glass and/or confirm I wasn’t going crazy. Lol.
I was not very surprised to find that many bird watchers revered and treasured the Nikon 60mm and 78mm ED spotters and hailed them as the glass benchmark by which all other spotters were judged. Even when compared to the Swarovski ATS/STS HD spotters that were new to the market during the reign of the Nikon, the old Japanese Nikon ED always matched or bested them in any lighting or weather situation to maintain their reputation as the spotter to beat. In my experience so far, I would say that they are still one hell of a high benchmark for any modern spotter to meet or compete with.

Here are som pics of me spotting bullet holes with the little 60mm Nikon ED and one of the targets with a ladder test while shooting at 635 yards. The load in the pic hasn’t been fully tuned for accuracy but it has good consistent POI across the charge weights with N570. Need to tune seating depth to hopefully find better accuracy.

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How would you know the age of Nikon 78mm ED Fieldscope
 
After reading this thread, I started watching fleabay for a nikon spotter. A couple days before Christmas I found an 82 ED(old one) at a price I thought I could live with. It was fair enough that I figured if I didn't like it I could at least get my money back or not be out too much. It showed up today and it was like Christmas again. It doesn't even have a mark on the mounting base. It looks as if it had never been used. I put the 30X eyepiece on and took it outside. There is an abandoned building across the road probably a little over 200 yds. away. I didn't put it on a tripod as I didn't have time. I sat in a chair and just put it on my knee just for a quick look. All I can say is...WOW ! It's an impressive piece of glass! I'm planning on taking to the range tomorrow to see if I can spot .22 holes at 300 yds. and do a side by side with my Leica. If it stands up, the Leica may go. It's overkill for what I use a spotter for and then I could build another rifle.
You got lucky. I've been looking every couple of days and missed that one.
 
How would you know the age of Nikon 78mm ED Fieldscope
Well for one, they don’t make a 78mm anymore. Two, all the older Japanese scopes have a light green color body with black accents. They don’t build scopes with green color anymore. As to the exact age, heck I don’t know. As long as it has a green body, made in Japan, and comes with ED glass, it’s gonna be great

There were about 3 or 4 generations of the green Japanese built field scopes. All are very nice but for some reason I really like the glass on the first generation. My little 60mmED is a first gen and the glass is out of this world. That’s what I was using to spot bullet holes at 635 yards using the fixed 40x EP. Problem is that the eyepieces aren’t interchangeable with later gens.

I believe my 78mmED is second gen. Has more magnification than my 60, but I don’t think the 60 gives up anything to the 78 with how good the view is. For general glassing, I love the 20x wide angle EP on my 60 the best.

They also made Non-ED fieldscopes so you need to watch out when buying because the physical differences in appearance or markings are very slight. I have not looked thru a non-ED model but they are supposed to be very nice as well. Just make sure you know what you’re buying. I highly recommend the ED models
 
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Ok, I'm convinced. I think that I will try to find one of the Japanese Nikon ED60 for hunting and target shooting.
Ledd Slinger , can you give me an idea on weight for the 60ED?
Also let me know if you would be interested in selling yours.
Thanks
 
You will also find that some were waterproof and some were not. I have no idea what generations were or weren't but I have not seen a 1st generation 60 that was. The 78 that I found wasn't. If that makes a difference to you, you should be aware of that. The waterproof ones that I've seen have an emblem on one side that say so.
 
Ok, I'm convinced. I think that I will try to find one of the Japanese Nikon ED60 for hunting and target shooting.
Ledd Slinger , can you give me an idea on weight for the 60ED?
Also let me know if you would be interested in selling yours.
Thanks
There's a lot of those on ebay. Find a Japanese seller with a high rating and you shouldn't have any issues. Mine showed up in 5 days.
 
There is a fair amount to read about on these nikons on the birding forums. The 30x W eyepiece carries high regard among owners.
 
Ok, I'm convinced. I think that I will try to find one of the Japanese Nikon ED60 for hunting and target shooting.
Ledd Slinger , can you give me an idea on weight for the 60ED?
Also let me know if you would be interested in selling yours.
Thanks
No not selling my nikons. My 60ED and 78ED are both in mint condition and worth way more to me than what I could get selling them. I’ve owned two Meopta S2 spotters and a Swarovski ATX. Honestly I would take my Nikons over an ATX any day. Way better color in the Nikon and good luck to anyone trying to see any significant differences in resolution

Never checked weight. I pack the 60 when hiking in the high country and the 78 stays in the truck.
 
Just to give you a ballpark reference for weight, the 82 with an eyepiece weighs exactly 4 lbs on my refrigeration scale. I would think the 60 with smaller lens and body would be a 1/2 lb. or so less.
 
Thanks, I have been looking at them on ebay from japan and" Wow" there are a lot of different ones . I have only seen one that seems to have a Water Proof badge on the side. I will continue to look and hopefully educate myself before I pull the trigger on one. Your guys help is greatly appreciated. Thank You
 
I have a Celstron 20x60 spotting scope and I can see 20 cal holes at 100 yds fairly easy, 22 and 6mm holes even better. At 200 yds, it becomes more difficult but still doable. I'm 65, have crappy eyes, (cataracts, astigmatism, floaters & tri-focals). At 200 yds and beyond, you might try those splatter type targets that change to the ugly green to make it easier to see the holes. I use these at 200 some times, but I can see 22 cal holes at 200yds if light conditions are right for me. I use white background targets with gray diamonds, or orange/red diamonds that show up best for me. Orange/red/bright green peel & stick dots help with POA.
+1 on the Celestron , I love mine and not to expensive... No spotting scope will see through mirage , I use mine to 300 meters....No complaints and have owned for years now....
 
Any scope, you can expect to see holes at 100 yards. If you look hard, most the time at 200. If you shoot strictly on white paper, you can see out to 300 yards. Beyond that and those circumstances, any holes seen beyond 300 is truly a blessing from nature and don't expect it to repeat very often.
 
Any scope, you can expect to see holes at 100 yards. If you look hard, most the time at 200. If you shoot strictly on white paper, you can see out to 300 yards. Beyond that and those circumstances, any holes seen beyond 300 is truly a blessing from nature and don't expect it to repeat very often.
Heck I can see holes at 300 with my 4.5-30x56 Trijicon riflescope. Piece of cake.
 
A 100mm Pentax can define 30 cal. holes at 1000 my little 65 mm Pentax ha no trouble seeing 30 cal. holes at 500 and I don't know any rifle scope that I have that can't. 6mm and down is the issue. also you can see the holes better on the next guys target than you can on your own...... jim
 

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