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Why shouldn't i build a 6.5 sweede?

spitfire_er said:
I have been tossing around a Hart #3 8 twist 6.5 barrel in my shop for over a year. Didn't have a use for it when I got it just figured be good to have around.

While I have others I could use, I don't think I currently have a 6.5mm chambering. Was tossing around 6.5 creed, but I was going through my stuff the other day and realized I have a handful of winchester brass and some 6.5 sweede dies. I also have a 6.5 sweede reamer. A bunch of misc 6.5 bullets. I have a creed reamer too but no brass of dies.

Going through donors, I have a 1917 enfield I did up a few years ago with a nice walnut stock. Threw a recycled and rechambered 22-250 barrel on it cause I had the 22 cal barrel sitting around. I don't really shoot it much, but it's a nice setup and I think the sweede would be a perfect fit for this rifle/stock combo vs the 22-250.

Was thinking the SS barrel with a matte blast and the blued action/walnut stock would be a nice "modern classic" style rifle in a classic capable cartridge. I just don't see doing a creed on this setup vs the sweede. I've had 6.5-06's, 6.5-280's, and wanting another rifle I could have my kids shoot when they get a little older. Will eventually go to one of my 4 kids.

Will probably pick up some lapua brass and load up some hammers to make a nice sporting rifle? Below is the rifle I plan to rebarrel.

All in favor say aye!

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Build it! A 6.5 x 55 in a 06 length action, loaded to modern pressures is a thing of beauty.
 
I have been wondering about the rim size on the Swede. I have a 94 Swede carbine in a sporter stock. I want to load for it and I know the rime size is an issue. The real swede brass has a rim that is bigger in diameter than 308/30-06 ect so most new actions would need the bolt opened up a few thousands to work with 6.5-55 brass but my gun was chambered for 6.5-55 from the get go. Can I make brass from an 06 or other .473 cases and shoot them in my Swede???? I know they would be a little small but does it matter?
 
ebb said:
I have been wondering about the rim size on the Swede. I have a 94 Swede carbine in a sporter stock. I want to load for it and I know the rime size is an issue. The real swede brass has a rim that is bigger in diameter than 308/30-06 ect so most new actions would need the bolt opened up a few thousands to work with 6.5-55 brass but my gun was chambered for 6.5-55 from the get go. Can I make brass from an 06 or other .473 cases and shoot them in my Swede???? I know they would be a little small but does it matter?
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WELL TO CENTER THE BRASS IN YOUR CHAMBER so expansion is not off center, practice with layers of tape to center the back of the case. then life should be good.
 
ebb said:
I have been wondering about the rim size on the Swede. I have a 94 Swede carbine in a sporter stock. I want to load for it and I know the rime size is an issue. The real swede brass has a rim that is bigger in diameter than 308/30-06 ect so most new actions would need the bolt opened up a few thousands to work with 6.5-55 brass but my gun was chambered for 6.5-55 from the get go. Can I make brass from an 06 or other .473 cases and shoot them in my Swede???? I know they would be a little small but does it matter?
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On my Rem 700, the bolt face diameter was not the issue with Norma and Lapua brass. What I had to do for 100% extraction was to make the extraction groove wider on the brass. Did 100 pcs on a lathe using a tool ground by my smith in short order and they'll last me a long time in my hunting gun.
 
ebb said:
I have been wondering about the rim size on the Swede. I have a 94 Swede carbine in a sporter stock. I want to load for it and I know the rime size is an issue. The real swede brass has a rim that is bigger in diameter than 308/30-06 ect so most new actions would need the bolt opened up a few thousands to work with 6.5-55 brass but my gun was chambered for 6.5-55 from the get go. Can I make brass from an 06 or other .473 cases and shoot them in my Swede???? I know they would be a little small but does it matter?
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Ebb: I don’t understand your thinking. If your gun is a real Swede Carbine, It’s already set to handle the cartridge. …….and please…..don’t try to “wrap tape” around some brass to fire form it! Good God!!
 
The brass centers in the chamber because it is a round tapered object going into a female round tapered hole. It all has tolerance and the bolt just does the pushing and pulling
 
The Swede brass is to my understanding is just a slightly bigger base diameter than the normal .473. and they talk about opening the bolt face of some modern rifles so that real Swede brass will fit the modern bolt. I already have a real Swede bolt but have no Swede brass and can't find any. If I was to take some 30-06 or 270 brass and run it through a 6.5-55 die and cut to length (may need to fireform) I would have Swede brass but with the slightly smaller rim. Does the slightly smaller rim size matter? when converting a modern rifle its too tight and wouldn't fit what I am thinking about is just a slightly smaller rim where modern brass is adapted to maybe work in the bigger bolt. Is this possible and what are the down sides?
 
ebb said:
The Swede brass is to my understanding is just a slightly bigger base diameter than the normal .473. and they talk about opening the bolt face of some modern rifles so that real Swede brass will fit the modern bolt. I already have a real Swede bolt but have no Swede brass and can't find any. If I was to take some 30-06 or 270 brass and run it through a 6.5-55 die and cut to length (may need to fireform) I would have Swede brass but with the slightly smaller rim. Does the slightly smaller rim size matter? when converting a modern rifle its too tight and wouldn't fit what I am thinking about is just a slightly smaller rim where modern brass is adapted to maybe work in the bigger bolt. Is this possible and what are the down sides?
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Smaller casehead brass will work, if you absolutely must. I would be concerned personally that the case itself is actually smaller in diameter as well, so the case would swell at the base to till the chamber. How much that would be an issue? No idea, but I don't care for the idea. Plus it's a fair amount of work to get it right. But not knowing where you are, I have to say that most, if not all, european brass is the correct size: Lapua, Privi Partisan, S&B, etc. so availability is out there, though you may have to order it.
 
Perhaps that is best. I have some privi that I bought a few years back when I couldn't get any 260 Rem brass that is usable. It has the flash holes out of center but still seems to shoot well. If their 6.5-55 works as well as what I bought before all will be good.
 
762plinker said:
WELL TO CENTER THE BRASS IN YOUR CHAMBER so expansion is not off center, practice with layers of tape to center the back of the case. then life should be good.
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When I build a rifle and machine the barrel, there is NO slop in the chamber. Tight and zero runout. (Measured and verified) The only room is from sizing the brass. If you need anything in there to "center your brass" your chamber is out of spec.

I don't do different grades of chambers and every barrel I machine gets a zero runout chamber and throat. This rifle will be no exception.
 
Yes - but run it slow with heavy bullets, if you have a suitable twist. I have seen deer fall real fast with 160g pills placed right. Lapua make some awesome hunting bullets in 6.5.
 
ebb said:
The brass centers in the chamber because it is a round tapered object going into a female round tapered hole. It all has tolerance and the bolt just does the pushing and pulling
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yes but all cases are not equal and when fired in s full size chamber, under sized brass expands sideways from the thinnest point.....been there done that( actually fellow shooters)
 
spitfire_er said:
When I build a rifle and machine the barrel, there is NO slop in the chamber. Tight and zero runout. (Measured and verified) The only room is from sizing the brass. If you need anything in there to "center your brass" your chamber is out of spec.

I don't do different grades of chambers and every barrel I machine gets a zero runout chamber and throat. This rifle will be no exception.
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you be missing the point the brass is not the same spec as the remer( sometimes in the usa with the 6.5 swede)
 
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