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why is random fired case sticking in chamber...no heavy bolt lift

Swift4Yotes said:
Sorry I am working as I type. Shoulder bump I mean. :o

I understand that. What I meant is that reloading books give very bad advise, especially about how to F/L size. They give instructions such as "back out die 1/4 turn", which is not precise at all.

Get the necessary tools to be able to measure your cases and keep track of what works best.

Good luck.
 
Swift4Yotes said:
I will trust my manuals as a starting point over most of what come across on a forum ;)

So if that's the case, why start this thread and waste the time of all of us trying to help you?
 
Use your reloading books! The advice in them is by no means intended to be perfect, but, will not lead you astray. Work with your dies until you have discovered an acceptable method. A little trial and error, and you'll figure it out ;)
 
Neck bump?

If you are doing things like the "book" suggests, you did not learn much.

I said "most" not all! You should be agreeing with me.

"You should be agreeing with me"

That is sick, you have chosen to ignore the only good advise you have received. And after 6 pages the question remains: "why is random fired case sticking in chamber...no heavy bolt lift"??.

One more time and I can not type slower: I have rifles, lots of rifles, most are builds, all of my builds have heavy bolt lift when the case sticks. None of my builds will allow easy bolt lift when the case sticks.

F. Guffey
 
This has been a complete waste of time. Manuals are written for beginners, as they should be, and they simplify the process because if they did not chapters would become books, and confuse those who are starting out learning how to load. If you like sticking with factory tools consider that RCBS makes something called a Precision Mic. that is caliber specific, and therefore more expensive for shooters that reload for multiple calibers, when compared to the Hornady tool that a couple of us have recommended. Getting back to the Precision Mic., ask yourself why they offer such a tool.
 
"Better'n the funny papers."

No kidding...........even Guffey's making more sense than a couple of them.
 
Well this has been interesting....sometimes.
The very first mistake I see in this whole thread was at the beginning. The brass was an unknown. How many times fired, how was it re-formed, how many DIFFERENT rifles was it fired in and so on. Brass of unknown origin/use is always a problem and IMO should be fully resized so they are all the same.

Had I been faced with this I would have set up the RCBS die to cam over slightly when sizing. I would then have done a test for incipient head separation (an easy test with a paper clip). I then would have culled the suspicious ones.
I then would have fired them in my chamber with a good stout load (not max!) I would not even be looking at groups at this point, just trying to get the brass to my chamber dimensions. I would then check again for incipient head separation. Any cases that failed this test would be culled.
I would then check them all for trim length to make sure they were all under spec. I would NOT trim all to same length at this time, just make sure every thing is under max.
I would then use CatShooter's method to find proper fit. He has eons of experience with the .220 Swift. :) This can be done quite easily without the Hornady "headspace gauge" if you remove the firing pin from the bolt. Once I determined the proper place for my die I would run all the cases through and I would make sure that that die was locked tight (I like the cross-bolt locking rings YMMV) I would then try to trim them all the same length. If any were short of recommended minimum I would find the middle ground and trim accordingly as long as none wind up past max. The short ones will probably catch up at some point during the life of the brass.


Now I would have a good starting point. I would then pick ONE bullet type and ONE powder type and try to work up a load from there. I can't possibly tell what a rifle is going to like by jumping around with a bunch of different loads and bullets. That's not to say I don't take different loads and different bullets to the range at the same time but I keep careful notes and always use separate targets. I also clean frequently.

I feel that if Swift4Yotes had followed this procedure I have just described we would not have 7 pages of sometimes helpful responses and sometimes nothing but vitriol. I will say that I was deeply offended by Eric's comment about CatShooter's helpfulness. In my experience CatShooter has always tried to be helpful ESPECIALLY to young re-loaders who don't have the knowledge or experience that some on this forum exhibit. He also solved the OP's problem. JMO

Swift4Yotes, If you are going to ask for advice on this forum I suggest that you at least try the suggestions put forth to you instead of continuing to head down-hill on that same out of control red wagon you've been riding in. Just my own observation after re-reading this thread 3 times. ;)
 
dedogs said:
I would then use CatShooter's method to find proper fit. He has eons of experience with the .220 Swift. :) This can be done quite easily without the Hornady "headspace gauge" if you remove the firing pin from the bolt.
You want to have him to remove his FP spring?
Not only would that be terrible advice, as we all know such a method for checking H/S is inexact, but your asking him to check it with used brass fired from a different chamber....FLS or not, it is not a reliable method.
If you're going to give advice, you better make sure it is safe and proper.
 
I am always amazed when shooters are told not to measure. Using the rifle as a gauge assumes a proper relation between the size of the chamber and the dimensions of the die that we have no way of knowing from the information that has been provided. I have seen a lot of experienced shooters overlook this detail. There can be no argument against measuring bump, yet people act as if not measuring is some sort of virtue. As you may surmise, I disagree.
 
"I would then check again for incipient head separation. Any cases that failed this test would be culled."

Good call on that one dedogs! ;)


tobybradshaw,

I like your optimism and hopefully, some did.
 
This has probably been said. But
The fix to this problem is to throw away the brass fired in a different chamber

Sometimes it doesn't matter how many times you try to squeeze the head back if the chamber was loose it won't size back enough to prevent sticking in a tighter chamber

Throw it away problem solved
 
For everyone's information I didn't have issues setting up anything. I feel the brass I had would have caused almost anyone issues. It was the only brass I could find on Gods green earth so I tried it. I have been loading for less than 1 year all the other rifles I load for shoot at least a half inch except for one which is about .625" and it has a tuperware stock. This is the first issue I have experienced. I am not the kind of person who wants to go to Wally World and pick up some shelf ammo or shoot the same round as everyone else because it is easy. The difference between me and a lot of other people is that I don't claim to know everything but I figure it can't hurt to ask. After asking, I take on the responsibility of sorting out what I think is right and what I feel is BS. I take everything on the internet with a grain of salt. Some of the advice here is I feel has been useful and some not so useful. 90 % was given in an arrogant way which has left a very sour taste in my mouth. Oh, I know you don't care. I am not sure how some of you folks can stand to be around yourself. I am done here.
 
Swift4Yotes said:
For everyone's information I didn't have issues setting up anything. I feel the brass I had would have caused almost anyone issues. It was the only brass I could find on Gods green earth so I tried it. I have been loading for less than 1 year all the other rifles I load for shoot at least a half inch except for one which is about .625" and it has a tuperware stock. This is the first issue I have experienced. I am not the kind of person who wants to go to Wally World and pick up some shelf ammo or shoot the same round as everyone else because it is easy. The difference between me and a lot of other people is that I don't claim to know everything but I figure it can't hurt to ask. After asking, I take on the responsibility of sorting out what I think is right and what I feel is BS. I take everything on the internet with a grain of salt. Some of the advice here is I feel has been useful and some not so useful. 90 % was given in an arrogant way which has left a very sour taste in my mouth. Oh, I know you don't care. I am not sure how some of you folks can stand to be around yourself. I am done here.
You are correct in your statement IMO as far as the issue with the brass giving anyone problems. That is true. It has to be experienced to learn it's not a good thing to try to use brass from another rifle. Don't ask me how I know. LoL been there done that
Don't let this leave a bad taste. A lot of them can't help it.
 

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