snert
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Because the Lapua is't Hornady.
Why did Hornady make the 6.5 Creedmoor?
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Who cares? Why did Hornady make it ? Because they CAN that is why.
Dont like it, dont buy it, dont shoot it. No one cares.
Why did Chevy make a pickup truck, Ford already had one.
Dont like it, dont buy it, dont shoot it. No one cares.
Why did Chevy make a pickup truck, Ford already had one.
10XSHOOTER
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You Can! get a little more velocity with the 260.
ronsatspokane
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Why did Hornady do it? Because they knew that the 260, 6.5x55, 6.5x284, 6.5x47 fanboi club members would soil themselves. They were correct, those boy's have been packing a load in the back of their trousers since the day the mighty Creedmoor was released. That it became a hit only serves to add to the soil load. We see that in this thread. 
majohnson
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It all about the money. 260 shooters were unhappy and complaining about the 6.5CM on the forums. When I built my 6.5CM there was only brass available, even it was hard to find. Hornady would not release any loaded ammo for well over a year. Although from the start there had been rumors of loaded ammo. I think that what pushed shooters into the round from the start over the 6.5 X 47. I was going to do the Lapua, a friend recommend CM said the cartridge would be highly popular in a short time. Guess he was right.
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All the BS about the 260 Remington is a joke. Take a as originally released 260 Remington 700 rifle and ammo and a as originally released 6.5 Creedmoor rifle and ammo.
No Comparison.
No Comparison.
Agreed, but if you improve the 260 it will eat the creed for lunch with velocities a little lower than the
6.5-284.
HandgunHTR
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You are right, however the reason that the 6.5 Creedmoor is as popular as it is is because you get great performance out of factory offerings.
Those of us who are rifle looneys seem to forget that the majority of money spent in the shooting sports is spent by recreational shooters. Of course we don't mind spending an extra $1000 putting together a semi-custom rifle to squeeze that extra 150 fps out of the .260 when using the heavy bullets. That is because we want the very best and are constantly pushing the limits our equipment and our own abilities.
Contrast that to your average Joe who for their entire life has been perfectly happy with their 2MOA rifle. They have never strayed from the 100 yard bench and have been piling up truckloads of deer and elk. Now hand them a solid rifle system chambered in an easy recoiling cartridge that will consistently shoot less than 1 MOA. Now they are sitting at the 300 yard line and banging that 4" gong with regularity, much to the amazement of their buddies, and the whole package cost them less than $1000.
That is why the Creedmoor is as popular as it is.
There is a very bad word in that statement, that word "but" ...
To achieve maximum potential from a 260 it requires a custom build.
I have a couple of Creedmoors, maybe someone should give me some purple m&m’s.https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2022/10/03/purple-m-and-m/8169936001/
Give me a freaking break world.
Give me a freaking break world.
ronsatspokane
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Everything after the "but" is problematic. The line of argument against always ends up in the land of unicorn farts. "if", "when", "if only", "but". The land that never has existed and never will exist is the argument against the 6.5 Creedmoor. It's like arguing with a liberal.
Because Hornady,.. KNEW that, MY shoulder, WOULD'NT, "Enjoy Practicing", as much with, my .270 WSM
( 140's @ 3,200 FPS vs,.. 143's @ 2,750 FPS ),. "maybe" ??
( 140's @ 3,200 FPS vs,.. 143's @ 2,750 FPS ),. "maybe" ??
Years ago the .260 Remington was one of the popular Across the Course cartridges for match rifle shooters. It had one shortcoming, if you throated the barrel long enough to seat the bullets far enough forward to get the base of the bullet above the shoulder neck junction it would be too long to fit any of the magazines in the short action rifles. Dennis DeMille of Creedmoor Sports began working with Dave Emary of Hornady to come up with a shorter case to use the 6.5 bullets seated to the proper length to fit the throats of the barrels as well as fitting into the magazines for the rapid fire stages of XTC. Dennis (as well as many others) used it very successfully for many years. This was the origination of the 6.5 Creedmoor and where the name came from.
Yes to the name origin, but not the other bit according to David Emary. In a quite detailed feature article on the cartridge's origins and design features in the Lyman Long Range Precision Rifle Reloading Handbook published in 2018 Mr Emary confirms the widely known story that Dennis Demille pushed for a new cartridge at an after matches dinner, actually a three-way discussion between Messrs Emary, Demille and Joe Thielen, Hornady's head engineer for cartridge case production at the conclusion of the 2006 CMP Service Rifle matches. To quote David Emary:
"Dennis said that he was getting really frustrated with his Tubb 2000 match rifle and the 6XC cartridge it was chambered in. I asked him what problems he was having and got an earful. To boil down a lot of conversation there was no standardized loading data for the 6XC. Most of the loads being used were quite warm in order to get the performance needed to be competitive at longer ranges. He reported frequent hard bolt lift and pierced primers, both of which could be very problematic in the rapid fire matches. Dennis stated he wanted a cartridge that was very accurate, was not loaded to problematic pressures, would have a load that would produce moderate recoil at 300 yards for rapid fire, would be as good as anything to 1,000 yards and had to go in a short action receiver. He also wanted this ammunition to be factory loaded, accurate enough to be competitive and have the loads written on the label so anyone could produce them. In short he didn't have the time to reload and really didn't want to. At first glance this seems a pretty tall order, especially the performance expectation from a factory loaded round. We concluded the conversation with me throwing an idea at him for a 6.5mm cartridge to which he responded, 'I don't care what it is as long as it works.' I had my marching orders."
I'm not disputing that Dennis Demille had previously used the 260 Rem in one form or other, but it's obvious from this description that his immediately previous cartridge was the 6XC, and there appears to be no automatic expectation on his part of a 260 Rem based design being a front-runner in finding a replacement. (In fact, the Creedmoor design uses Hornady's existing .30 TC cartridge case more or less unchanged except for necking it down to 6.5mm. David Kiff of PT&G who had been closely involved in the earlier development of the TC wrote in a different thread on this forum some years back that it had originally been intended for the 30TC to be the first of a 'family' based on the case as are the 243, 260 etc, etc on the basic 308 Win and he designed a 6.5TC chamber as part of his original brief, the various Creedmoor updates and tweaks being in effect to produce a match variant of that never introduced hunting design.)
MONEY
plain and simple
plain and simple
Hornady is smart. They know how to play the marketing game in the gun world.
Build a cartridge, make sure it checks all the boxes, talk it up and have all kinds of ammo available for it. Boom! Instant off the shelf snipers!
The 6 & 6.5 Creedmoor is everything rolled into one with a wide range of ammo available. Seems to be the easy button for a short action cartridge until you go magnum, but then they covered that base too. 6.5PPRC
Not to mention their non melting plastic tip bullets.
Use a cheaper tip, talk it up like its special(doesn't melt, genius!) , give it a new extreme name and mark it up $10 a box.
Build a cartridge, make sure it checks all the boxes, talk it up and have all kinds of ammo available for it. Boom! Instant off the shelf snipers!
The 6 & 6.5 Creedmoor is everything rolled into one with a wide range of ammo available. Seems to be the easy button for a short action cartridge until you go magnum, but then they covered that base too. 6.5PPRC
Not to mention their non melting plastic tip bullets.
Use a cheaper tip, talk it up like its special(doesn't melt, genius!) , give it a new extreme name and mark it up $10 a box.
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Don't forget to inflate the BC numbers on the box ...
Do you aneel your cases and if so how often?
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