which 6.5 or other cartridge to build my first custom 1000 yard gun/ hunting rif
- Thread starter lh leggtowner
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I have two 6.5-06's it is a great round, close to the 270 win and 25-06. I like the 120 and 130gr bullets for hunting. My next will be to shoot the 130 Berger VLD. The 06 case feeds better than the others out of a magazine. H1000 gives the 130gr over 3000 ft/sec out of a 24" hunting barrel, 25" or 26" is better if hunting from a blind. I would go with a 8 twist but a 9 tw will work. If you make the brass out of 06 I run it thru a 270 die first then anneal and the 6.5 die last. I recomend turning the necks to clean-up and have the chamber cut for .003" clearence on the neck. I shot my first 6.5-06 in the NRA XTC matches out to 600 yds. Good luck
Danley said:
Danley, I believe for a 1,000 yd match he would be talking about Tullahoma Tennessee. Elkmont is just north of Huntsville and Tullahoma is the closest to him.
I also have sent you a PM
Roland
jde650 said:
jde, Could you provide a link or to some paper work documenting this 3000 round barrel count out of a 6.5 shooting 140's at 3100 fps? Not saying it can't be done but I sure would like to see proof that it in fact "can" be done.
I am getting just a little better velocity than you mention, just a little, and man does it come at a price. Barrel life for competition shoots 800 and maybe 850 if I am real lucky, Brass life and I shoot only Lapua brass, brass used in competition 4 firings and that includes the one firing I loose to fire form the brass. If I could just double my barrel and brass life I would be way more than happy, just double. That would get me to half of your claim of 3000. If it can be dome I want to go there.
I did take a look at Snipers hide didn't see any proof or documentation. Did see a lot of gum flapping about it though...
Roland
jde650 said:
jde, I have read that entire thread on this cartridge. Once again I see no documentation what so ever, just a bunch of guys claiming that they are getting this result. A couple of them even admit they just received there rifles, so they couldn't possible be getting 3300 ( that is the figure they use) round count. One did claim it was the powder H1000 burns so much cooler that it is allowing them to get in excess of 3300 rounds and yet maintain a velocity figure of 3,100FPS with a 140 grn bullet.. Makes a feller wonder why any of us are using the faster burning powders if we can get these results with this cooler powder.
I have to call BS on this, until I see some form of documented proof.
Roland
swed6.5
X1ON
My opinion, is that my last experience, was a 30'' 6.5X55 a little,more case capacity is nice exp when using slower powders H1000 and VV N165 worked great for me and the swede can still funtion in a short/savage action with the 308 bolt face, was capable of 3080fps with shooting .300 size groups at 100yds, and a flat shooter at 1k. Be warned any of these 6.5s will work great and most will cook the barrel at a early life, my next toys going to be a ackley swede necked up to a 7mm. enjoy
Erik Cortina
Team Lapua Brux Borden Captain
lh leggtowner said:
This makes no sense. Run the ballistics on both and you will see the light.
Hombre0321 said:
I wouldn't call anything that comes out of George Gardner's mouth BS. He is the President of GAP. One of the most respected custom gun companies in the US.
lh leggtowner
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I love how you can send out a question and there are so many opinions. And none of them are bad. I sincerely appreciate all of the opinions that have been posted. Eric Cortina, I will absolutely check out the ballistics on the 6.5x47 compared to the 6x47. While I can say that I am less confused about which round and the probablilty of which round I will be going with. You guys have given me a lot of ideas on definately which rounds that I will NOT be going with. Thanks a lot.
lh leggtowner
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I have another question out there for you guys and gals out there. While I am new to this whole thing. My question is... When you speak of barrel life is that under the competition atmosphere or is it under casual shooting. If I decide to never shoot a match and just deer hunt , will a 6.5x.284 only last 7 or 8 hundred rounds. Or will it last a huge ammount more. I just wish someone would clear up this barrel life thing. I understand that "overboaring" a round will significiantly shorten the barrel life. But, from what I have understood it is under extreme circumartances. Thanks
mikegaiz
Stay frosty, my friend.
In my opinion, yes heat is worse and speeds up barrel wear. When competitive shooters talk about warn out. It is when the barrel will no longer shoot consistent groups that are competitive. As far as for hunting (depending on target size, deer vs prairie dogs) there is still a lot of deer hunting left in a barrel. I have been through 4, 6.5x284 barrels and after around 1000 rounds it will not hold competitive groups for 1000 yds. shooting. :'(
lh leggtowner
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When I first started on this ride, 6.5x284 was the only way to go, or so I thought. After numerous opinions, seems to me like I need to figure out if I want a true barrel burner and just "bite the bullet" so to speak or go the conservative route and get a 6.5 that is a little slower. I definitely want the 6.5 I just got to weigh the options. This whole barrel burning thing has me at a conundrum. Thanks for the reply.
Hi LH hi all
LH,I know quite little about the 6.5x284 except it's outstandingly fast and accurate,and therefore quite mean to barrel steel,and deer,which I suppose is equally true with any rifle that will fly a bullet above 3000fps...But if you want to have a liitle more info and knowledge about why we all seem to indulge in the highspeed quest,I suggest you go to ballisticstudies.com,it's run by a NZ fellow by the name of Nathan Foster,check his "knowledge base",maybe it will clear up things for you a bit.Especially if you consider that his concern is mostly hunting,and the actual "impact" of bullets on game.I don't believe I must absolutely shoot faster than 3000fps with my hunting bullets,but it sure makes me feel fine about it even though I know a 2900fps shot will kill any deer just as dead...And then you sure don't have to let your bullets fly at the speed the 6.5x284 allows to have an outstandingly accurate and efficient hunting rig.
LH,I know quite little about the 6.5x284 except it's outstandingly fast and accurate,and therefore quite mean to barrel steel,and deer,which I suppose is equally true with any rifle that will fly a bullet above 3000fps...But if you want to have a liitle more info and knowledge about why we all seem to indulge in the highspeed quest,I suggest you go to ballisticstudies.com,it's run by a NZ fellow by the name of Nathan Foster,check his "knowledge base",maybe it will clear up things for you a bit.Especially if you consider that his concern is mostly hunting,and the actual "impact" of bullets on game.I don't believe I must absolutely shoot faster than 3000fps with my hunting bullets,but it sure makes me feel fine about it even though I know a 2900fps shot will kill any deer just as dead...And then you sure don't have to let your bullets fly at the speed the 6.5x284 allows to have an outstandingly accurate and efficient hunting rig.
Barrels are expendable items, plain and simple. If you want to go fast, you have to pay the price.
I would also say that I believe you would be better served to have separate rifles for competition and hunting. The best setup for one is not likely to be the best setup for the other. Either way, you will end up with a set of compromises that will be less than ideal for BOTH disciplines you want to pursue.
I say build the competition rifle you want in the 6.5 or 7mm of your choice.
For hunting, provided you don't intend to use it as a prairie dog rifle, I say skip the 6.5-284 and go straight to the .264 Win Mag. I have a new production Winchester Model 70 in .264. When I want fast and flat, that's what I reach for. If you use it as a hunting rifle, it will go a long time before you need to re-barrel.
I would also say that I believe you would be better served to have separate rifles for competition and hunting. The best setup for one is not likely to be the best setup for the other. Either way, you will end up with a set of compromises that will be less than ideal for BOTH disciplines you want to pursue.
I say build the competition rifle you want in the 6.5 or 7mm of your choice.
For hunting, provided you don't intend to use it as a prairie dog rifle, I say skip the 6.5-284 and go straight to the .264 Win Mag. I have a new production Winchester Model 70 in .264. When I want fast and flat, that's what I reach for. If you use it as a hunting rifle, it will go a long time before you need to re-barrel.
6.5x55 improved. end of story.
lower recoil then the 284, shoots fast, accurate, and you get something a little different.
parent brass is cheap, uses less powder then the 6.5x284. improved version basically reduces trimming to near never.
of course this is my biased opinion bc I am building one now.
lower recoil then the 284, shoots fast, accurate, and you get something a little different.
parent brass is cheap, uses less powder then the 6.5x284. improved version basically reduces trimming to near never.
of course this is my biased opinion bc I am building one now.
Hi Legman,,,,one thing to remember about 6.5 sweede (Lapua) brass is the rim is a cupla thou. bigger than all the other common 308 (.473) ctgs,,,,if you have a Remington action (bolt) it "may" be sloppy enuff to use em(customs are usually too tite ) ,,,,lots of times the gunsmith (if its someone other than yourself) will have done the bolt face "mods" and you never know it!!!...I have never used WW swede brass and dont know the dims on them,,but do know what the Lapua is,,,,just something to think about,,,,,Roger
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