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Where are the primers going? Seriously

Reloaders are the last to see primers. The primers that are made today are going to ammo manufacturing companies that are filling huge contracts to make ammo. Only 4 companies make primers here in the USA, so there’s that too.
The way I built my stock up was going to 8 local stores 4-5 times a week. Eventually you will find what you are searching for.
 
There are far more local dealers who are selling on-line at stupid prices then they will admit. My LGS, who I've known for 30 years, got an entire pallet of primers recently. When I asked about getting some 209A primers he said the entire lot was being posted on GB and will go to the highest bidders. Not a single primer was being put on the shelves of the shop. Ever wonder where the scalpers get endless supplies; they come from LGS deliveries.
 
During the Obama years, changes were made about the "handling" of surplus government ammo. Demilitarized is the standard since, with the hundreds of billions in discretionary spending held by the executive branch, a sitting anti gun president can issue contracts and then have "excess" demilled and sold. This is a very effective method of side stepping the 2nd Amendment. And you of course pay for it. This also included what we consider hunting ammo, as different agencies "experimented" with different calibers, the secret service played with the 7mm mag for awhile. All that "extra" ammo demilled.
If I remember correctly he even said the military couldn't sell the used empty ammo cans to civilians anymore and they had to be destroyed...
 
Last week I travelled for work and in the evenings I typically check out the local sporting goods stores. The amount of loaded ammo I saw was incredible.. a farm & ranch store had pallets of the more popular rounds and shelves full of just about everything else. The SW was similar, no pallets though. Both had powder, but not primers. A couple small locally owned shops had ammo and waaay more powder than the big stores.

Last month I bought primers at a Bi-Mart in a small town.. they had several thousand. A couple months before that I bought 1k at Cabelas. I see them available online very regularly. If you are active in looking for them they can be found.

So where are they going? Well, in my case they go to the range. :cool: Otherwise it's pretty clear they are going to loaded ammo. Beyond that I believe the primers being sold as components are still such a highly sought item on the secondary market they don't last long on the shelves.. or the stock room in some cases. People are in fact buying them as soon as they see them even at stupid high prices.
 
Two of our three local sporting good stores are getting them. They usually go fast. However, one of them put out 30 or so 1000 count boxes of large mag pistol primers a couple weeks ago. They had two boxes left when I stopped in the other day…
 
Two of our three local sporting good stores are getting them. They usually go fast. However, one of them put out 30 or so 1000 count boxes of large mag pistol primers a couple weeks ago. They had two boxes left when I stopped in the other day…
All I'm finding on occasion are pistol primers but I haven't seen any large rifle primers in over a year.
 
If I remember correctly he even said the military couldn't sell the used empty ammo cans to civilians anymore and they had to be destroyed...
Not from what I observed. I'm on the email list for Gov Planet and the prior organization that handled surplus military/government gear. They've been auctioning ammo cans from 5.56, 7.62, .50cal on up to rocket cans. And I was on their list from before 2009 - they never stopped selling military gear - including at one point, bayonets.

Today: https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/auction.ips?msg=77345&kwtag=auctionsec1
 
Think about this fellers. We had an additional 5.4 million "new" gun owners in 2021. I box of 20 or 50 rounds per new person is how many extra rounds that need brass, primers, and booolits.
You reckon that might be a factor!
25 years ago at the range it was bench rest guys, "gun crank" reloaders working on a hunting load and then the "high volume" service rifle crowd - shooting Garands or M-14s - and they mostly practiced their off hand or in the sling slow fire. On the pistol range it was some old guy shooting bullseye .45s or a blued target .38 special. These days everyone shows up with an AR-15, multiple 30 round mags and a high capacity semi auto pistol.

EVERYONE owns an AR and shoots it these days. I shoot mine like I did my bolt rifles. For accuracy, one round at a time. I have to get to the range early and get my spot on the far left end - to avoid the families that show up with a wife and kids to shoot ARs or some other semi-auto rifle. The left end keeps the spray of brass off my neck.

We went through this with the Clinton panic, then the two Obama plus Hillary/Trump panic. I just don't get why the firearms industry hasn't realized the shooting (and consuming) public is here to stay.
 
I only have one LGS that is not a big box store around me that so getting primers in. They currently want $15.99 per sleeve, I told them to keep them. I did pay $8.49 3 weeks ago at the same store for a couple of sleeves I’d LRP. The other LGS’s around me are getting powder in, but they said they cannot get primers at all. I teally have no clue what the smaller of all LGS gets primers and the others cannot. I’ll keep looking, but with summer coming, my attention is shifting to camping, fishing, and ATVing.
 
I just don't get why the firearms industry hasn't realized the shooting (and consuming) public is here to stay.

Two reasons, I'd say. First, previous panics mostly were that. After a year or two and the heavens didn't fall because a particular individual had been re-elected as US president, then things went back to something like normal for the next several years.

More important, anything that involves manufacturing explosives is highly regulated, attracts lots of public and media attention and usually opposition. Frequently from the eco zealots too as traditionally many of these processes were highly polluting and the fact they're not now is of little matter to people who simply ignore facts that don't support their prejudices. Take the old Australian government powder plant in Mulwala, New South Wales created in a rush during WW2 and which was a terrible polluter that damaged the ecology of a whole river basin. Around 15 years ago, that obsolete facility was set to close without major, major investment and its new owners Thales /ADI, part of a multinational, went to the Aussie government with a plan to replace it with a state of the art factory funded 50/50 by Thales and the government. Most governments would have rejected the proposal, mine in the UK undoubtedly would, especially as the eco-warriors assisted by the media created a sh*t storm and got up lots of public opposition. Fortunately for Thales - and us as handloaders and shooters - the government thought strategically both in terms of export earnings and for national security in a region where Chinese power was becoming more aggressive. The Greens opposed the process at every stage and continue to do so now over explosives being trucked through towns to the dockside. If that project hadn't got off the ground, there'd be no Hodgdon Extreme grades or IMR Trail Boss and 8208-XBR because that's who makes them.

And that experience raises an important point. Smallarms ammunition components no longer loom large as major factors in modern military thinking or politicians' perceptions of security issues. They're not sexy like Javelin missiles or F-35 joint strike fighters, and we all know it's the latter that win wars these days. Yes so, but I wonder how well Ukraine would be doing right now if it ran out of rifle and machine gun ammunition even if it still had drones and Javelins. Both are important. Governments no longer see it that way and will no longer pay for security reserve capacity. (When Kynoch closed late last century, that was the sole manufacturer of 50BMG ammo in the UK, but HMG wouldn't pay for or even part-subsidise a modest factory and pile of secondhand machinery which was then sold off to a Greek company.) Hell, the private owners are big rich private companies, aren't they? That may or may not be so and even if they are rich they got that way by investing for guaranteed sales and profits, not by operating loss-making charitable operations.

Expanding existing explosives manufacturing operations, even more so a greenfield build is a long-term and expensive process before you get the first penny of return back. It's also a fairly small sector in the West these days, but relies on a small pool of people with specialised safety, technical and production skills. Even if a corporation can throw the buildings and storage bunkers up, it then has to poach and/or train up specialists, and teams may take a year or two to gel and get in the groove. Before you spend the megabucks and assign part of your management resources to plan and project manage such a new venture, you've got to be sure you're going to sell enough of the output to make a profit (and cover the build and setting-up outlays) at the end of whatever timescale it takes to get into full production.

So, who on this forum can guarantee the demand (and high prices) will still be there to make a profit in producing primers, powders and ammunition in three, four, five years time? A silver lining of Putin's Ukraine 'Special Operation' (Invasion? What us? No never!) might be if Western governments and their advisers wake up and recognise that the world is again a dangerous place and that predators will seek out and exploit weaknesses in the 'soft democracies', because without a doubt western nations' smallarms ammunition manufacturing is one such.
 
I remember during the “O” years that the government was issuing several contracts for billions of rounds of ammo. Shoot, maybe over time millions turned into billions as I couldn’t swear to the actual numbers. Anyway, seemed like every “alphabet” government agency was being fitted with pistols and semi-auto rifles. All had to be trained and ammo set aside for their use. So I wasn’t surprised when ammo and reloading supplies became scarce from time to time. Anyway, if everything tracks as it has in the past, we’ll eventually see an end to empty shelves. Fingers crossed ;)
 
I needed to go to town today and went into my local farm store called Runnings. Today they only had small pistol primers so I talk the guy into letting me buy 400 of them. Last week they had thousands of primers on the shelves, but only could get two sleeves at a time. Perfect example of keep looking and buying when you see them available.
 
I see primers more and more it seems. The large rifle and large rifle mag primers are pretty scarce along with certain others, I’ve been looking for Remington 6 1/2 primers and haven’t seen one in two years but I have seen Quite a few offerings online. My local shops have had limited deliveries but they have had multiple deliveries in the last 5-6 months. The price isn’t pretty, seems like 75.00 per 1k is a good deal right now and the BR4s and BR2s are closer to twice that.

Vista Outdoors owns most of the primers being made right now and I’m sure they are making sure they have all they need for factory ammo production. Ammo sales seem to be slowing a bit, I see pricing coming down on many of the most sought after cartridges but the demand is still heavy.

I could use some 215m, CCI 250s and Remington 6 1/2s until I land some I’ll just keep using alternatives.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/102492877?pid=321734
Here’s your 6 1/2 primers, but you get a free press with them!:cool:
 
Two reasons, I'd say. First, previous panics mostly were that. After a year or two and the heavens didn't fall because a particular individual had been re-elected as US president, then things went back to something like normal for the next several years.

More important, anything that involves manufacturing explosives is highly regulated, attracts lots of public and media attention and usually opposition. Frequently from the eco zealots too as traditionally many of these processes were highly polluting and the fact they're not now is of little matter to people who simply ignore facts that don't support their prejudices. Take the old Australian government powder plant in Mulwala, New South Wales created in a rush during WW2 and which was a terrible polluter that damaged the ecology of a whole river basin. Around 15 years ago, that obsolete facility was set to close without major, major investment and its new owners Thales /ADI, part of a multinational, went to the Aussie government with a plan to replace it with a state of the art factory funded 50/50 by Thales and the government. Most governments would have rejected the proposal, mine in the UK undoubtedly would, especially as the eco-warriors assisted by the media created a sh*t storm and got up lots of public opposition. Fortunately for Thales - and us as handloaders and shooters - the government thought strategically both in terms of export earnings and for national security in a region where Chinese power was becoming more aggressive. The Greens opposed the process at every stage and continue to do so now over explosives being trucked through towns to the dockside. If that project hadn't got off the ground, there'd be no Hodgdon Extreme grades or IMR Trail Boss and 8208-XBR because that's who makes them.

And that experience raises an important point. Smallarms ammunition components no longer loom large as major factors in modern military thinking or politicians' perceptions of security issues. They're not sexy like Javelin missiles or F-35 joint strike fighters, and we all know it's the latter that win wars these days. Yes so, but I wonder how well Ukraine would be doing right now if it ran out of rifle and machine gun ammunition even if it still had drones and Javelins. Both are important. Governments no longer see it that way and will no longer pay for security reserve capacity. (When Kynoch closed late last century, that was the sole manufacturer of 50BMG ammo in the UK, but HMG wouldn't pay for or even part-subsidise a modest factory and pile of secondhand machinery which was then sold off to a Greek company.) Hell, the private owners are big rich private companies, aren't they? That may or may not be so and even if they are rich they got that way by investing for guaranteed sales and profits, not by operating loss-making charitable operations.

Expanding existing explosives manufacturing operations, even more so a greenfield build is a long-term and expensive process before you get the first penny of return back. It's also a fairly small sector in the West these days, but relies on a small pool of people with specialised safety, technical and production skills. Even if a corporation can throw the buildings and storage bunkers up, it then has to poach and/or train up specialists, and teams may take a year or two to gel and get in the groove. Before you spend the megabucks and assign part of your management resources to plan and project manage such a new venture, you've got to be sure you're going to sell enough of the output to make a profit (and cover the build and setting-up outlays) at the end of whatever timescale it takes to get into full production.

So, who on this forum can guarantee the demand (and high prices) will still be there to make a profit in producing primers, powders and ammunition in three, four, five years time? A silver lining of Putin's Ukraine 'Special Operation' (Invasion? What us? No never!) might be if Western governments and their advisers wake up and recognise that the world is again a dangerous place and that predators will seek out and exploit weaknesses in the 'soft democracies', because without a doubt western nations' smallarms ammunition manufacturing is one such.
Never say never. A lot of my acquaintances NEVER thought Putin would do what he has done and invade Ukraine. People, get your head out of the sand and use it for its intended purpose and not just a hat rack.
 
$425.00 (current bid) for a padlock?!!! Man, the power of auctions. I avoid them. Too much testosterone bidding. :rolleyes:

Hoot
 

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