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Where all all the shooters???

I’am going to be at the MSSA 600yd line this March with my nothing .308 for ftr hopefully. I’am not saying how you all are taking this. What I said is what a lot of people see and they get turned off by it. So they go buy a off the shelf gun and mid grade optic and then go bang steel at the range in a local match. Nothing wrong with it, that’s just where the new shooters are.
 
I’am specifically talking about mid and long range f-open NRA approved.You’re competition is people shooting wildcats 40lbs custom rifles and 10+ years of reloading experience with $1000 front rests and the like. You have no chance even if you drop $8000 right then you can’t just buy wind reading and reloading experience. Now there are tons of other local stuff to do that’s fun competitive and isn’t so overbearing. But it isn’t NRA approved, so it’s just a starting point. The first post of this thread seems to target BR/f-open type, that is what I’am referring to.
So what's with the NRA approved reference? I am a life member, I have shot various NRA disciplines and competed in and placed in National championships, but not for over 25 years. While I enjoy competing agzinst the big names and even getting a few wins over several I think the NRA focus seemed to go to a few big national events and away from local clubs I enjoyed competing at the local clubs, in my area having more than a few shooters who have done well on the big stage. I tihnk we need to get this big event mind set out, of recruitment efforts. I know if you can compete consistently at the club level in Pa you can compete anywhere, I have done it and I have seen quite a few others.The big equipment big shoot stage is not the way to introduce others to our shooting sports. It can be icing on the cake for some as they progress but some make it seem like if you want to race a motor vehicle you have to start out as a fully sponsored NASCAR driver you first day out. I suppose one reason ( excuse ) is as good as another. So those who dont are the ones who miss out.
 
In a Boat? Another good analogy.

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I just love when someone comes in, sees a couple of BR rifles and shys away when you tell them what it costs to get into the game. Only a few minutes later, they're telling me about their $40K bass boat that they're pulling with a $70K pickup, parked outside.
This is what I’am trying to tell them. People see what it cost and the time, so they go shoot something else.
 
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I'm by far in the back of the pack,but I try an support our ranges that spent all the money they spent on a range, to allow me this challenge to shoot against the best an get an occasional win for the day.

While you guys are bickering on this post the last couple hours I have been working on my wind reading skills.
Because when shooting season starts I will be shooting against the best.
If I go half ass tuned I'm gonna be going home scratching my head saying to myself what I'm I doing wrong.
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Nobody is saying anything about that. People would like to be semi competitive without all that time and money so they don’t shoot BR. They bang steel in prs type local matches.
In rereading the first post in the thread I found that JEFFPPC didn't specify what competition, he just wondered why more weren't involved in ANY competition. You are planning to start competing in the matchs that fit your interests. So you aren't really one of those. Maybe you aren't attracted to what a few of us enjoy, but that's not important. You are out there doing it and I think that;s what he was encouraging. More power to you.

Rick
 
In rereading the first post in the thread I found that JEFFPPC didn't specify what competition, he just wondered why more weren't involved in ANY competition. You are planning to start competing in the matchs that fit your interests. So you aren't really one of those. Maybe you aren't attracted to what a few of us enjoy, but that's not important. You are out there doing it and I think that;s what he was encouraging. More power to you.

Rick
Ok, it seemed like he was talking about BR f type. Thanks for the support I’ll do my best.
 
This is what I’am trying to tell them. People see what it cost and the time, so they go shoot something else.
I agree that it cost to participate any any sport, BR or any other shooting discipline doesn't give out any participation trophies so if that is what they are looking for I not sure where they need to go except maybe kindergarten? I think what Rick is trying to point out you don't have to plop down 3-10 grand to participate, as he stated he did modified with a $500 rifle, yes he had to reload and buy stuff but tell me a sport that doesn't? You can spend a little or a lot, my time on this ol' earth is growing short and I can promise you no one can "take it with them" so I'll enjoy what I can within reason and not put a burden on my family. I serve my God first, family second and then I play.
 
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@Jake300
Above is my LR rifle and rest setup that I used for years in both LR Benchrest and FClass.
Won several matches in both disciplines with it.
Your input to cost of BR do not reflect what I had to spend to be competitive at all.

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I cant think of a shooting sport you can get into cheaper than factory or custom ubr. Like greyfox said a $500 gun can win. I can bet you can go win a ubr match for under $1500 all in and with time less than $1000. You cant hardly get a good f/tr bipod for that. And ive never had to be an nra member to shoot in any br match in my career. Take a short trip up to TN and meet up with one of the nicest guys in shooting (greyfox) and try out his guest gun. I bet youll change your mind on what you want to shoot
 
Are those horseshoe shape benches common. Looks like the opening in the center would allow your cases to roll off and fall to the ground.
 
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Biggest thing I see in BR is time and money, hey” give people a couple months off a 10k setup and supplies to go with it and attendance should rise until they get their butts handed to them crushing their delicate ego therefore sending grown men sniveling & whimpering home to loved ones for soup, sandwich and convalescence recovery all while plotting Revenge!:mad::mad:
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LOL! Some matches I am well prepared, confident, and win stuff. Other matches I am just there so my fellow competitors will have someone to beat. Then again, losing to people you like isn't the worst thing..................
 
Benchrest is not for everyone. In fact its not for most. As older shooters start to retire the newer ones are just not filling their shoes. Part of it is there are a lot more options today than 20 or 30 years ago. Another part of it is most have never heard of BR and if they have they have very inaccurate views on what it really is. We have done a poor job of exposing people to it. Two things I think we have to do is avoid changing the game in hopes to attract new shooters, because you upset the older ones and it doesnt work anyhow. And have fun, its a sport that gets taken very seriously and sometime we forget its fun. In reality we mostly go to enjoy the company. I dont think many would do this if there was no one to compete with. In LR we now have so many sanctioning bodies Im loosing count, we are not stronger divided in my opinion.

Alex,

You certainly do your part. Instead of insisting that I by a complete rifle from you, you are happy to sell me a stock and then even help me as I inlet the stock and chamber my own barrel. And to your point, the people we compete with are indeed top notch.
 
Alex you are very correct that we do not get stronger by being divided, I feel any growing that amounts to much will be accomplished thru local club competition, low keyed and new shooter friendly as opposed to more intense competition and bigger events. A friend I have been chasing for 20 yrs to finally started 2 years ago. He has moved from club ground hog shoots to 1000 steel in the last 2 years. Last fall I took him to a1000 yd range and left him shoot paper, he surprised us borh with how well he did. Now this year he asked me last week when is the first 1000yd paper match. If we keep at it we can make some headway or we can just make excuses. Its up to us.
 

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