6BRA
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Factory handgun loads will never shoot as good as reloaded handgun loads. I know what you are talking about.
What's your favorite powder for 9mm ???
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Im talking about the 0.5" tighter groups at 15 yards not being worth $3, 200.00.
Shoot... a guy could buy 6 Glunks with that money.
Every time training ammo goes "bang" it's shooting as good as anyone could ever need it. Nobody anywhere is using training ammo for shooting Bianchi. Accuracy - and only a tiny bit at that - is irrelevant to this discussion.
So honestly I have no idea what you're talking about other than just trying to pull my leg.
ELR LVR
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I consider a 9mm like a .22
its a plinking, shootin cans kinda gun, mostly
the 100 packs I used to buy at walmart for $15 bucks used to group just a hair over my handloads at 20 yds which is well worth just the time savings even when using a Dillon.
6BRA
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Maybe this will help....the thread title...Im talking about the 0.5" tighter groups at 15 yards not being worth $3, 200.00.
Shoot... a guy could buy 6 Glunks with that money.
Every time training ammo goes "bang" it's shooting as good as anyone could ever need it. Nobody anywhere is using training ammo for shooting Bianchi. Accuracy - and only a tiny bit at that - is irrelevant to this discussion.
So honestly I have no idea what you're talking about other than just trying to pull my leg.
What's your favorite powder for 9mm ???
25 yards is target shooting for pistols. Anything less is banging..which is what most people do. They typically require alot of rounds for that. Like the AR crowd at the benchrest range....
N320 or WSF.
Just like rifle reloading, bullet choice matters
Just like rifle reloading, bullet choice matters
Time is money. I can reload and get paid NOTHING, or I can work and bill out @ $ 250 / hr.
Google " opportunity cost." So paying $250 / 1k factory rounds saves me ~ $3, 200 per year (math given above) over reloading them myself. And again as I already said I don't enjoy reloading 9 mm like I do my rifle rounds. Reloading 9 mm or most any pistol round is a Mindless zombie task in my opinion. I'd rather clip my toenails or change the oil in my car.
Again... this is for training ammo. As I said above, I do reload my self defense and suppressed 9mm which I shoot maybe 1k / year. Those rounds cost $ 25 - 30 per box of 20, or $1,250 per 1k rounds.
The fact I reload my self defense 9mm is why I was able to explain what powders I choose to use in answer to the OP's question.
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The type of powder used is usually determined by the type of shooting being done. Self defense shooting is typically 3 ft to 15 yds. I answered the type of 9mm powder I use given the type of shooting I do
Thats my MAIN use for pistols - training for self defense.. I literally NEVER shoot 25 yd with my pistols, as its a questionable self defense distance. My pistol training includes draw and presentation as much as it does pulling the trigger, which is why it includes a lot of dry fire and maybe 100 rounds per training session. 150 rounds at most.... and that's shooting two or three different pistols. One of my primary goals in Pistol training is an intense target Focus that is a main skill in using a Red Dot properly. I never target shoot pistols. To me, 25 yds + is a task for a rifle. Thats why a 1 inch tighter group at 25 yds is irrelevant to me, and why I use the pistol powders I use. That's why I answered the OP question with which powders I use for 9 mm.
You dont have to agree with me, cuz Im not telling you how to think, or what to do.
Im only explaining MY reasons and actions. I celebrate your reasons and actions cuz THATS WHAT WORKS FOR YOU. ( I said this way up above) See the difference?
It seems you have had some bad experiences with the pistol and AR-15 blasters while you are benchresting. Please don't assume I am like them because I am not. Thank you.
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Incorrect. I was explaining my different approach on reloading (1) training ammo vs. (2). self-defense ammo.... both of which are monetarily driven.
That said.... I refuse to argue on the internet. But I'm sure you can find others who will do that dance with you.
Have a nice day.
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Wish you happy shooting as well brother!I refuse to argue on the internet. But I'm sure you can find others who will do that dance with you.
Have a nice day.
Kind of a false analogy unless you're working every waking moment. I hear this a lot and it always brings a smile to my face. Don't get me wrong, if the cost differential is close I won't reload either. I shoot 20 to 30 thousand shot shells a year shooting trap competitively and get shells cheap enough that reloading doesn't make sense. The cost of components makes the small savings not worth it TIME WISE, not because i could spend more time working. I can say with confidence that thats not the case so much for center fire. Cost savings and accuracy makes it different. If you're worried about just hearing a gun go bang you could probably get your noise fix by lighting off firecrackers.
@jk80 ... Im good with my math and my analogy. Since I'm only giving my view of things and how I've made my choices and not trying to convince anybody else of anything else, I'll leave it where I've already left it. I believe opportunity cost that deals with what I'm giving up in order to hand load Factory 115 grain which is pretty much dirt cheap.... is a real and legitimate consideration. If you don't, that's cool, I'll still go with my analogy and my way of making choices for me
I've learned to be okay with people disagreeing with me and not trying to argue them into my point of view. I'm happy for them to think and do whatever they want.
And as I said above , for my self defense ammo which would cost me about $1,300 out of pocket for a thousand rounds I do reload those.
I believe opportunity cost that deals with what I'm giving up in order to hand load Factory 115 grain which is pretty much dirt cheap.... is a real and legitimate consideration. If you don't, that's cool, I'll still go with my analogy and my way of making choices for meI've learned to be okay with people disagreeing with me and not trying to argue them into my point of view. I'm happy for them to think and do whatever they want.
And as I said above , for my self defense ammo which would cost me about $1,300 out of pocket for a thousand rounds I do reload those.
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Time is the single most valuable and expensive commodity in the world, because once you are out, no amount of money anywhere can buy you more. So I do consider and count the cost of my time in the decision whether to reload what is in effect Dirt Cheap Factory 115 grain 9 mm.
I recommend using FACTORY powder.
I recommend using FACTORY powder.
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Hey, you do you. I was saying I can understand to a degree. Reloading 9mm isnt worth it to me price wise now unless factory was really inaccurate and what I'm shooting is as accurate as I can hold.Time is the single most valuable and expensive commodity in the world, because once you are, out no amount of money anywhere can buy you more. So I do consider and count the cost of my time in the decision whether to reload what is in effect Dirt Cheap Factory 115 grain 9 mm.
I recommend using FACTORY powder.
As far as time, I'm at the age where I'm well aware of how wasting it can bite you. The other day my wife told me I needed to start slowing down. I told her I'm at the age when most people should be moving a bit quicker with how little time they may have left. That got me a scolding from her! Lol.
You know @GetReal has been getting flack for his statement of using factory stuff but when you can buy it for around $.20 a round it doesn’t pay to load it so with that being said he’s not wrong imho. However I been using n320 n330 3n37 and 3n38 with good success but by far power pistol has gave the highest velocity and tightest groups outta my cz’s
Wayne
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