What's Wrong With My Shooting

[Ggmac]

Ahh, . . . yes. It's always the elusive 'unavailable ammo' constructed of unobtatium, ain't it?

Look. Tony Boyer buys barrels like most of us mortals buy bullets. If you need a 'Majik Bullet' to get the barrel to shoot, then it's a waste of time and money.

You're disappointed. Been there, done that. Move on and don't look back. No amount of good intentions in the world will fix a janky barrel. And if it looks good but won't shoot, that just increases the diameter of the pill.

AMHIKT.

Took you shorter than most to come to that conclusion.

 

[Someoldguy]

Took you shorter than most to come to that conclusion.

Thank you for the compliment. I defer to the difference of ignorance and stupidity.

Ignorance - attempting something once because you've no experience and don't know any better.

Stupidity - performing the same action over and over again and expecting a different result.

Anyhow, I surmised in post #13 that the barrel had an issue. No information has been posted since to change my opinion.

 

[Bc'z]

Thank you for the compliment. I defer to the difference of ignorance and stupidity.

Ignorance - attempting something once because you've no experience and don't know any better.

Stupidity - performing the same action over and over again and expecting a different result.

Anyhow, I surmised in post #13 that the barrel had an issue. No information has been posted since to change my opinion.

Sounds like insanity to me

 

[Someoldguy]

Sounds like insanity to me

Do tell. So. What do you suggest in the face of insanity?

 

[Bc'z]

Do tell. So. What do you suggest in the face of insanity?

A different path/ avenue to your objective.
What you referred to as stupidity is the definition of insanity. That is if my small simple mind remembers correctly.

 

[Someoldguy]

A different path/ avenue to your objective.
What you referred to as stupidity is the definition of insanity. That is if my small simple mind remembers correctly.

Fair enough. I never considered insanity.

Dang it!

 

[Bc'z]

Fair enough. I never considered insanity.

Dang it!

No worries, I've done some pretty insane things. Referring to my small simple mind.

 

[Someoldguy]

No worries, I've done some pretty insane things. Referring to my small simple mind.

Shit, man. If it weren't for insanity, i reckon I'd never done much of anything.

 

[Bc'z]

Shit, man. If it weren't for insanity, i reckon I'd never done much of anything.

Lmao. Been banging my head against the wall for years. I figure one of these days the wall will move.

 

[alinwa]

Shit, man. If it weren't for insanity, i reckon I'd never done much of anything.

Not much of a Hunter S Thompson fan but one of the signs on the wall in my gunroom is his.....
“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”

 

[Someoldguy]

Not much of a Hunter S Thompson fan but one of the signs on the wall in my gunroom is his.....
“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”

That's a perfect analogy. You sure ain't takin' nothin' with ya.

 

[Someoldguy]

Folks laugh, but I swear to God, I've never felt more alive than when I've been working without a net.

 

[dc.fireman]

I will split with the majority, and say that the thrown shot resembles inconsistent trigger finger.

 

[spitfire_er]

My first thought was 4 shots in under a minute with a light barrel is heat. Always the 4th shot, heat.

Before I knew better I had a new to me ruger 77 in 22-250. I took it to the range and proceeded to shoot a box of ammo as you stated in proabbly about 5 minutes. Looked like a shotgun 6" pattern @100. Sold the rifle to my brother. Later after I learned a thing or two, I properly cleaned the barrel, I reloaded for it, shot slow and it was one of the most accurate factory barrels I've shot. Would shoot 1/4-1/2" groups on decent regularity with good conditions.

In many cases with a rifle that is assembled properly, using quality store bought ammo, if you can't get a constant 1" or better group with a newer rifle, the shooter is usually doing something wrong. Unless your barrel is toast.

 

[clunker]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. If the high temperatures ever dip below 90, I'll head out to the range and try some things. First, I'll take some time between shots without changing position. That should clear up any discussion of whether barrel temp is the issue. As Ggmac suggested, I'm ordering a new scope. In fact, I will be starting a new thread about one that I have in mind. The reviews seem too good to be true, so I'm hoping someone on this forum has some experience with Mueller scopes. When my Creedmoor gets back from Tikka, I'll pit the two rifles up against each other to see if it's a barrel issue, or if it's me.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. If the high temperatures ever dip below 90, I'll head out to the range and try some things. First, I'll take some time between shots without changing position. That should clear up any discussion of whether barrel temp is the issue. As Ggmac suggested, I'm ordering a new scope. In fact, I will be starting a new thread about one that I have in mind. The reviews seem too good to be true, so I'm hoping someone on this forum has some experience with Mueller scopes. When my Creedmoor gets back from Tikka, I'll pit the two rifles up against each other to see if it's a barrel issue, or if it's me.

If you wait between shots then you let the conditions change which makes the group even worse.

 

[grovey]

My take.
1. Get off the broken ground, and lose the bipod if you're shooting groups.
2. Nothing about Nosler is match grade....
3. It ain't the gun getting hot, as I routinely shoot strings of as many as 10-12 shots in less than 6 mins in factory class Ghog matches with a Tikka superlite.
4. Skip the Mueller scope... save your money for a better ( even if it's used ) scope.
5. Learn to reload.

 

[walker2713]

<A few other points. Soil at the range is rock-hard and lumpy. It is difficult to find a comfortable prone position, and my elbows still hurt, but I don't expect that anyone is going to roll out some plush red carpet for me when I'm hunting either. Every grouping was taken from a different position with one exception.>


You may want to end up shooting under field conditions with sticks or a bipod, prone, sitting or standing...but if you want to learn about your rifle/scope/ammo and personal skills, you need to be shooting from a bench with front and rear rests. My $.02.

 

[mike a]

Went to the range this morning and had a pretty good day. Only one problem. I can't seem to shoot accurately for more than three consecutive shots. I shot a box of 20 rounds, and the two pics show the first 16 of them (the other four were used to take out some clay pigeons). As you can see, the first three shots of each grouping are acceptable, but the fourth is always a flyer. Is the barrel getting too hot after three shots within 1 minute? Am I just too fatigued after holding position for too long and getting lazy with my form? Here are the stats if they help.

- Factory Tikka T3 in .223, 1/10" twist with about 300 rounds through the barrel
- Nosler Match Grade, ballistic tip, 60gr
- $50 Bushnell Banner 3-9x 40mm scope (cheap, but it works)
- 100 yds in prone position with 9" bipod
- 85 degree temp with a light breeze

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Clunker, Over the years I've up graded everything. From the muzzle to the buttplate and every single thing in between. Also my rest and bags. Also my reloading gear twice! Some years ago i was shooting fairly good groups if you threw out a couple of the fliers. Now I'm shooting much, much better groups if you throw out the very rare flier. Equipment shrunk my groups and LOTS and LOTS of trigger time has greatly reduced my fliers. Even if you don't upgrade your gear and just practice ALOT think how much better your groups would be without that flier. Buy gear little by little and ammo by LOTS. Cheers Mike

 

[clunker]

If you wait between shots then you let the conditions change which makes the group even worse.

Damn it! Why can't anything be easy?

I am still using the factory rings, largely because I have not had a chance to research what rings to buy. Tikka no longer provides rings with their rifles, and there might be good reason for that. However, they feel solid and have a snug fit. I put the scope on my Creedmoor for its only shooting session with the same rings, and didn't even have to resight the scope to test the rifle. Easily within 2" of the original position on the .223. Maybe a coincidence or just dumb luck.

I'd like to spend a lot more time shooting, but even hand-loaded ammo is expensive (although, I have been saving all of my brass). The closest range is a 30 minute drive, and the closest public lands are more than an hour drive. After working all day in the blazing heat with no shade, the last thing I want to do is spend more time in the sun. I'm actually in the process of trying to sell my house and buy some land outside city limits where I can shoot any time I want and put up a 12-foot fence if I feel like it. The lifestyle change has more to do with paying off student loans than shooting, but I welcome the benefits of escaping city code. I wouldn't be surprised if they started making you buy a permit every time you want to use the toilet. Sorry . . . had to vent some frustration.