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whats wrong with 30-06? am I missing something?

wesleysgreen

Is there any real reason for the 100+ year old caliber is being ignored by so many people? Maybe people are scared of the recoil? Or there is something I dont know that everyone else knows about the 30-06.

has it not been around for over 100 years?

is it not able to kill everything that walks, including big game?

is it not accurate?

is it not able to be bought at every gun shop that you walk into?

I will keep on shooting the 30-06, I will Keep hitting my targets, killing my targets and buying my 30-06 everywhere that has ammo! Wesley
 
Nothing "wrong" with a 30-06. A fine cartridge, and I have several. I just don't use them very much anymore, certainly not for punching holes in paper targets from 100 to 500 yds. If I had the opportunity to shoot longer distances (which I don't), then it would be one of my choices. But I agree, it has lost popularity at least some of the reason being it does not have "magnum" on the headstamp. There are those who believe any cartridge not a magnum is an inferior round.
 
German Salazar seems to do very well with his in competition. Here is a thread where there is some discussion and useful links:
http://www.accurateshooter.com/forum/index.php/topic,3752515.msg35887804.html#msg35887804
 
wesleysgreen said:
Is there any real reason for the 100+ year old caliber is being ignored by so many people? Maybe people are scared of the recoil? Or there is something I dont know that everyone else knows about the 30-06.

has it not been around for over 100 years?

is it not able to kill everything that walks, including big game?

is it not accurate?

is it not able to be bought at every gun shop that you walk into?

I will keep on shooting the 30-06, I will Keep hitting my targets, killing my targets and buying my 30-06 everywhere that has ammo! Wesley
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I think the 308 Winchester is the reason!
 
Ok some good stuff, the .308 win almost the same as 30-06 ALMOST but for the smaller recoil and easier auto loading I can see why it has kept it's popularity and the 30-06 has decreased. I would love to see some new auto loaders in 30-06 that can take combat punishment and keep firing!
MAG, doesnt that mean its got tons of powder behind a less than large projectile? How much does the average MAG load cost of the shelf? A 30-06 is what like $0.60 and I could get .75 MOA or better with those $0.60 loads!
I hate to bring this up but what about if ammo is no longer mass produced? what ammunitions will have the greatest stockpiles? there is still sniper ammo from WWII being sold!

Recoil lets you know your shot left the barrel and will hit the target!
 
What's wrong with the .30-06? Not a thing! I use it for 500, 600 and 1000 yard matches regularly and the scores are better than most and often at the top of the list. In the last couple of weeks I had a 599-41X (600 point match) at 500 yd., a 973-34X (1000 point match) at 1000 yd. and a 595-31 and a 594-31 at 600 yd. Those are pretty typical scores for it, all scores are iron sights only and in the blowing desert wind.

There's more articles about it on my website than I can reasonably list here, but you could begin with The Logical .30-06 - http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2009/11/cartridges-logical-30-06.html

Enjoy your '06, nothing could be more fun!
 
German, I see your point, and no one will disagree with your success using a 30-06... But in all fairness, you could probably do the same with a lever action 30-30! ;D
 
Right on, Wesley! The ought six got all it takes and cartridges and components are plentiful. I guess people experiment with something else just because they know it's here to stay and it will outlast the Bill Of Rights and they know if Obama hits the fan they'll find guns 'n ammo in this caliber at wal-mart or at the pawn shop next door. Nothing new with magnums, except in .338 and larger, I don't care for them either belted or beltless. And I fail to understand the trend toward the WSM and SAUM cases whereas you get the same results with ackleyized versions of the .280 or the .30-06, or a barrel a couple inches longer... ???
 
The 30-06 is out dated.
It's over 100 years old.
It will only shoot a limited bullet weight, like 100 grns to 220grns.
It's finicky about powder, there's only 50 or so choices and only a couple of dozen powder company's provide data for it
It was only used in 3 or 4 wars.
It only liberated a dozen or so countries.
It was only chambered in half a dozen militery rifles.
It's only cambered by every manufacturer, both factory and aftermarket.
It's only accurate to 1000yds - or so.
I only have 7 rifles chambered for it.

I think it's obsolete. I think all you guys should send me all of your old cast off supplies for this old has-been cartridge.
I'll pay the shipping. :-)

Craig
PS just got a Savage 12BVSS for my son for Christmas chambered in ------ 30-06 AI
 
Craig, great choice on the rifle!

You also identified one of the great virtues of the .30-06, it's easy to get good stuff cheap since no one seems to want it! Ebay and club swap meets have some real bargains for the .30-06 lover. A few months ago at our club I got a Redding die set (standard) in perfect shape for $5 and the seller threw in 200 pieces of once-fired Lake City Match brass. The match director for another club gave me a 5 gallon bucket of once-fired LC 67 ball brass, it was in the way. I could go on and one, but you already know the good stuff out there!
 
Craig, AWSOME!!!! I wish Ihad the money to buy one of the Ohio Ordinance BAR repro.s ($4000) but my wife would shoot me with the dam thing if I bought it!!!

I am building a custom rifle and I will post on the out come in Jan 2011. It will be a 30-06!

Thanks, Wes
 
I'm not a big fan of recoil. The 308 is more than I like. I've had better luck with accuracy with my '06 than 308 in production guns. I've got a Rem pump in '06 that i've gotten 5/8 groups with (48 gr 4064,168 gr sierra). Something the '06 is missing that the 308 has is the ball seat and throating. I've ordered a neck and throat PTG reamer in the Laupa/Palma configuration that I will re-throat both a Rem 721 and a Model 54 Winchester. I believe it will make a huge difference in how they shoot. I know that it will make the OAL to long for the magazine but, I'm not a hunter.

German, How is your '06 throated?

Frank
 
Frank, you're right about the throating. My reamer cuts a throat and leade angle that is like a .308. The print is in this article towards the bottom.

http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2009/11/cartridges-logical-30-06.html
 
Thank you for that site German,
The Laupa/Palma reamer I'm having made is the same as yours but for the free bore. Thats .110 on the Laupa/Palma. What OAL are you useing on your gun?

Frank
 
One of the greatest hunters-shooters-writers this country has known was Jack O'Conner. He was best known for extolling the virtues of the .270 Winchester but remember it was new then and had caught the shooters attention as new cartridges catch the attention of writers now. He was a great fan of the 30-06 and hunted with it often but it was old even when he was in his prime. If the 30-06 was introduced now and hyped correctly it would sell although it would have limited success since it would not be adopted as a military cartridge. The '06 is the daddy of the .270 and several other useful cartridges. The grand old cartridge is like the staff of a sucessful general. The general gets the attention but the staff gets the work done. In short there is nothing wrong with the 30-06. One of my favorite rifles is a pre-'64 Model 70 in 30-06. Go buy one and help perserve history. You have my permission to use this line on your wife.
 
My grandchildren's grandchildren will still be hunting with a 30-06, hopefully my Ruger M77 with a newer barrel, or maby with the same factory one that has at least 3,000 rounds thru it and has killed 3 elk, 3 deer and 1 antalope so far, and it ain't done yet. I am still toying with building a 30-06 long range prone rifle like German Salazar just for grins, as long action Rem 700's are gathering dust in all the pawn shops around here and can be had for little cost for the action. His article about his build really got me to thinking. If they were again allowed by NRA for Palma that would help as well.
 
Rmulhern said it
It’s the younger set and I was guilty of it my self at one stage
In todays world the younger folks want extreme everything….. The ultra, rums, & stw fit that bill.
The 30-06 has been around forever and will continue to be. If you shot one side by side with a ultra, rums, or stw. The old 30-06 would get the job done, killing an animal just as dead as a high density magnum would, but without all the recoil and muzzle blast and expense. Marketing can be a powerful tool when directed at the right demographic. Erik Cortina makes a good point to…… the popularity of the 308 Winchester.
 
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