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What's with a .220 Russian

Wolfdog91

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So I'm just curious here. I've been learning more about bench rest wild catting and the like ( not gonna be able to get into either any time soon lol but it's a really cool subject to me) and I keep seeing .220 Russian keep popping up as a parent case but I don't think I've ever seen somone actually shoot it in it's original form. What's with that ? What makes it such a good parent case ?
Just curious.
Thanks !
 
Wolfdog91 said:
So I'm just curious here. I've been learning more about bench rest wild catting and the like ( not gonna be able to get into either any time soon lol but it's a really cool subject to me) and I keep seeing .220 Russian keep popping up as a parent case but I don't think I've ever seen somone actually shoot it in it's original form. What's with that ? What makes it such a good parent case ?
Just curious.
Thanks !
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There is only "one" cartridge directly developed from the 220 Russian and it's the 22 PPC.

Since the .222 cartridge base diameter was fully explored (.222, .222 Mag, .223), and .308 based cartridges are significantly overbore, Palmisano and Pindel were looking for something that had more capacity but wasn't overkill. The overall length and base diameter of the 220 Russian was "just right" for their project. Moving from 22 to 6mm was the next natural step a few years later.

Since then, other cartridges (6.5 Grendel for example) have been built on the PPC/220R base when the right base diameter is between .223 and .308 size.

At least that's the story I've read many times now. My reference books are packed away at the moment.
 
If I remember correctly, George Kelbly Sr or at least one of his cronies shot a 220R in matches and did quite well
 
257ack said:
If I remember correctly, George Kelbly Sr or at least one of his cronies shot a 220R in matches and did quite well
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A lot shot a shortened 22 caliber version of the ppc. Alan hall is the only one i ever knew that shot a llain 220r and that was because he despised brass prep. Bill forrester and ron hoehn were the most successful 22cal shooters. It was hard to shoot a 22cal because of the rules in a 4 gun match so that propped up the 6mm and kilt the 22cal
 
I shoot a 6ppc in matches. I also shoot a factory 22ppc for informal matches. The best shooting rifle that I had was a 22ppc-100. I had Mickey run a 22ppc reamer in a tenth inch short. It did quite well at one of the East-West matches when I traveled with Wilbur (a long time ago)
 
257ack said:
I shoot a 6ppc in matches. I also shoot a factory 22ppc for informal matches. The best shooting rifle that I had was a 22ppc-100. I had Mickey run a 22ppc reamer in a tenth inch short. It did quite well at one of the East-West matches when I traveled with Wilbur (a long time ago)
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I wish yall would get them matches back up and going in fayette. That was one of my favorite matches
 
Dusty Stevens said:
Its all in if you want to win or not. Some choose social hour over winning. Some despise it so much they stop all centerfire shooting and pursue rimfire to not have to load
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Yeah, Thats what Alan did He got into rimfire and traveled with Doc Dodgen while he was able. I have one of his actions on my rail. Hope I dont ever have to change the firing pin spring. Not sure if it was before he changed the way he made the last ones or not
 
257ack said:
Yeah, Thats what Alan did He got into rimfire and traveled with Doc Dodgen while he was able. I have one of his actions on my rail. Hope I dont ever have to change the firing pin spring. Not sure if it was before he changed the way he made the last ones or not
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Just gimme a call when you need it changed. Alan taught me. Just changed one for @spike-55
 
Wolfdog91 said:
So I'm just curious here. I've been learning more about bench rest wild catting and the like ( not gonna be able to get into either any time soon lol but it's a really cool subject to me) and I keep seeing .220 Russian keep popping up as a parent case but I don't think I've ever seen somone actually shoot it in it's original form. What's with that ? What makes it such a good parent case ?
Just curious.
Thanks !
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220 russian

do many folks chamber barrels for the straight 220 russian? would this be an accurate cartridge? Would this be a bad idea? Just wondering? Lee
forum.accurateshooter.com

I remembered reading about Lou shooting a 220 Russian in benchrest matches.
Found the old thread

CW
 
dgeesaman said:
There is only "one" cartridge directly developed from the 220 Russian and it's the 22 PPC.

Since the .222 cartridge base diameter was fully explored (.222, .222 Mag, .223), and .308 based cartridges are significantly overbore, Palmisano and Pindel were looking for something that had more capacity but wasn't overkill. The overall length and base diameter of the 220 Russian was "just right" for their project. Moving from 22 to 6mm was the next natural step a few years later.

Since then, other cartridges (6.5 Grendel for example) have been built on the PPC/220R base when the right base diameter is between .223 and .308 size.

At least that's the story I've read many times now. My reference books are packed away at the moment.
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The main reason that Palmisano and Pindel took it to 6mm was the Sporter Rule, that being a legal NBRSA Sporter had to be .23 caliber or larger. A lot of shooters waned to shoot one caliber in all four clases.

They tried it, The rest is history. The 22 sort of died on the vine for the vast majority of shooters.

there is always going to be the debate as to which is the best Short Range Group Chamber, the 22PPC .100 short or the 6PPC. I have seen both shoot phenomenal Aggs.

My personal choice is the 6PPC because it is so user friendly. Brass is easy to make, there are several powders that work, and multitudes of great bullets available.

That being said, if I am at the range with my 6PPC and my 30 BR, and someone wants to see just how small of a group I can shoot, I will probably choose my 30BR.
 
jackieschmidt said:
The main reason that Palmisano and Pindel took it to 6mm was the Sporter Rule, that being a legal NBRSA Sporter had to be .23 caliber or larger. A lot of shooters waned to shoot one caliber in all four clases.

They tried it, The rest is history. The 22 sort of died on the vine for the vast majority of shooters.

there is always going to be the debate as to which is the best Short Range Group Chamber, the 22PPC .100 short or the 6PPC. I have seen both shoot phenomenal Aggs.
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Ron Prachyl told me they determined the 22ppc or the short version proved to be the most accurate cartridge when they were shooting the Houston Warehouse study. He says they were agging in the "ones"!!! While this was in absolute perfect conditions (they even controlled when they shot for temp and humidity) they could never make those guns shoot that well in real world conditions. He and Speedy went back to their old setups, would not shoot as small, but never shot big. I will see Ron this weekend and will ask him if I can think well enough to remember LOL.
stan
 
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