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What’s a good BR group at 300m/300y

Ccrider

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There is a thread asking the same question regarding f class. @jackieschmidt and a few others have posted some enlightening observations in response.

I did not want to hijack the thread but wanted to hear more from a BR perspective.

What size group agg is considered good at 300m when practicing and having the rifle in its best tune?

We can look at the Tackdriver results and see what the winning agg has been for each year. But how good were those rifles shooting in ideal circumstances?
 
Recreational shooter here that nearly always places targets at 300 yards. My goal is to shoot .1 MOA. It does happen but only very occasionally on 1 target in a group of 5. The 5 target aggregate is usually a little over .35 MOA, no where near Tack Driver aggs! Hope this is helpful…
 
Results from the tack driver matches (300 meters). Each group shot is posted, not just aggs. What more do you want? They also can use a heavier gun and different stock configuration than allowed in a traditional SRBR match.
Thanks for displaying the results for all 6 in one place.

Very interesting to note sub 1.00 aggs improving from only 2 in Tack 2 to 35 in Tack 6.
 
Results from the tack driver matches (300 meters). Each group shot is posted, not just aggs. What more do you want? They also can use a heavier gun and different stock configuration than allowed in a traditional SRBR match.
Those groups were shot in timed competition by some of the best shooters in the world under less than optimal conditions.

It would be nice to know what types of groups they were shooting in their practice leading up to the competition and what they consider a competitive gun and load.

My guess is that in practice, they shot quite a bit smaller and that under ideal conditions their guns shot substantially smaller than the Tackdriver aggs.
 
Assuming you are shooting over a good set of flags, an experienced BR Shooter should be able to place five shots in a .400 group at 300 yards if he is taking his time. If you are on the clock, Match Reports through the years say this is unrealistic.

Speedy proved this year that you can shoot five groups under 1 inch at Orangeburg. A lot of VERY good shooters also proved that it is quite easy to park one out there that is over 1.5 inch’s.

Of course, assuming you have a well tuned rifle, condition reading is everything. At 300, you are stretching one’s ability to engage in precision flag reading. Most shooters brains can only comprehend so much information. Simply put, you do the best you can and under ideal conditions, get your five shots on the target as quickly as possibly before the condition changes.

That can work until you realize that in Score Shooting, you have to move that rifle after each shot.

There are many that think that going from 100 to 200 is a simple matter of doubling the size of the group, and going from 100 to 300 is simply a matter of tripling the size of the group. Anybody that is involved in Competitive Disciplines know this is a fallacy. It simply does not work that way.

The best example of this is in NBRSA and IBS Score Shooting. It is not uncommon for competitors to shoot 250 with an average X count of at least 16 at 100 yards. The Shooters at the top ore shooting 20+ X’s on a regular basis.
At 200 yards, the 10 ring and X are twice as big. Theoretically, since the target is twice as big, and the distance is JUST twice as far, you should be able to duplicate the 100 yard effort. But the scores, generally the X count, drops on average twice as much. Heck, at the 2025 NBRSA Score Nationals, only 3 shooters managed to hit the Ten Ring 50 times, much less hit that darned X enough times to make a difference.

Then go out to 300.

Think about that while remembering that we are shooting the most accurate rifles on the Planet.

But getting back to the OP question, you would hope your Rifle has the ability to shoot sub .400 groups at 300. Plug you into that equation, and life gets a lot more interesting.
 
Another reference point. Scroll down to the tuning portion of the article:
 
For my 1000yd BR rifles, I usually tune and practice at 500yds on an open prairie. On average across many trips, I shoot in the 1.25-1.5” range for 3 shots but I need to see groups under an inch in good conditions to feel like the rifle will be competitive at 600 and 1000yds. I occasionally shoot at 300 meters if my usual 500yd spot has cattle, in which case a 3-shot group under 0.5 inches is the benchmark.
 
To elaborate a little, here are some examples:
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This is my 20 Vartarg that I frequently use at 600 yards. It will frequently drop below an inch at this range, but I really need to be on my game to not have it get big fast.

Here is a 600 yard spot (the white dot in the distance is a 48"x48" target frame). This is the prairie and it throws curve balls all the time.
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And here is what my 30-6.5PRC, nicknamed the prick by it's progenitor, does at this distance running a ladder with a new powder at a known preferred seating depth:
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It's easy for single shots to escape out there with a puff of wind. This was nowhere near a stable load for 1000yds (climbing the target rapidly with ascending powder charges), but it still largely shoots around 1 inch at this distance when conditions are stable.
 
I have a rule of thumb, if ya will. I look for a well tuned rifle, in good conditions, to AGG..
@100, low to mid .1's
@200, Low to mid .3's
@300, sub .500

That's not saying I can or will do any of those in match conditions but if I know the gun and tune are capable, the rest is on me.
 
Fellows,

Looking at the NBRSA records for 300 yards. If you can keep them between .550 and .450 you're on a world record pace.

Practice for Tack Driver and not cherry picking conditions a 5 shot .700 is very respectable. My other goal is to keep it under an inch which is easier said than done.

Bart
 

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This was my first and only time shooting 300 meters. Bart was there. :-)

It wasnt a trigger pull, and there were several things about that range that presented us challenges, but the conditions weren’t terrible either.

A .750” group wasn’t going to hurt you at all and a .5” group would move you up the standings quite a bit. (Results are in mm)
 

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This was my first and only time shooting 300 meters. Bart was there. :-)

It wasnt a trigger pull, and there were several things about that range that presented us challenges, but the conditions weren’t terrible either.

A .750” group wasn’t going to hurt you at all and a .5” group would move you up the standings quite a bit. (Results are in mm)
Do I have it right that a .750" group would come in second?
 
Do I have it right that a .750" group would come in second?

If you’re referring of the photo I posted, no. Five .750” (19.05mm) groups would’ve been good enough for 4th place that day.

The OP was asking what some of these rifles can do in ideal conditions, so this isn’t exactly what he was wanting but it’s still real world match results which I thought might be helpful. There aren’t a lot of 300 meter matches out there after all.
 
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In Oct ‘24 our local range had a Tackdriver type practice match instead of our usual UBR Match. We shot at 300 meters
This is the only time I’ve ever shot 5x5 shot groups at 300 meters on the clock.
I learned on that last target if the wind switches and you wait 3-4 minutes to shoot ,don’t shoot the round that’s been in your hot chamber for 3-4 minutes.

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