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What is your favorite 6mm PPC Loads

trgtsnpr

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Im new to benchrest shooting this year. Never did any reloading so i start out with the round you have to do the most too. Please let me know what your favorite round is.

1)powder charge
2)bullet size
3)yardage your using that round at

thank you for looking and helping

Bill
 
First thing, make sure the neck on your loaded round is smaller than the barrel neck, if its a tight neck chamber!!!!!!!!
 
What type rifle and barrel? As Neil said, you need to know the size chamber and whether it is a tight neck, usually measuring .266 or larger on a fired case neck. If it is a tight neck, you will need special reloading equipment. I suggest you call Sinclair International 1-800-717-8211 and request a catalog. They are always willing to give advice over the phone. What twist is in the barrel? That will determine useable bullet weight. There are numerous custom and mass produced bullet possibilities. Check the 6mm PPC forum on this site for loads. Good shootin.
 
i was wondering what powder charge and bullets you were using and at what yardage i have a custom rifle built by clarence hammond it has a .261 neck with a 1:14 twist 24" barrel

bill
 
Bill
Not to sound too bold but I know Clarence from the shoots we were together. Trust his recommendation. A new shooter with a new gun should not complicate things. Pick a powder, a custom bullet, and primers and work on your shooting techniques at the bench. Loading is easy.
You can start with a K&M neck turner, Wilson seater, any arbor press, Partner press, Harrel #3 FL dies, Redding powder thrower and learn from the ground up. Complete your set-up with 36" Dewey rods and a couple plastic carry boxes you can buy at Lowe's.
I would spring for a good rest and name brand bags. Buy bullets in the 500 pack to start. Too many friends in the bullet business can't name names.
T practice as often as you can. If you plan on shooting 200 or 300 practice at these distances.
Most of this will come to you pretty quick. Be careful with your spending. Assuming you have a reliable scope a new barrel every couple years that will keep you sharp. Keeping a good barrel is one of the necessities of BR. Last but not least buy a good set of flags and stands/poles, 4 will get you started.
Keep everything clean and read everything about BR you can get your hands on.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
The powders of choice are N133 and 8208. The N133 is a good one depending on the lot, same with 8208. N133 hasn't been available in the USA for several months, but is supposedly coming in as we speak. 8208 hasn't been manufactured for years, but quite a bit of it still floats around..still may be hard to find. Then there is H322 and Benchmark. These two don't get much attention from BR shooters, but some say they work well. As far as bullets, call Clarence and have him send you some 65's, 66's or 68's. Clarence actually uses his 62gr bullet for the most part, and if he shoots it, it must be a good one. Start low and work up your loads to find a sweet spot. Some barrels like to have the bullet just touching the lands, while ohters like the bullet to have a little more jam. Is this a custom actioned BR rifle? Reason I ask is that the custom actions tend to take more pressure than the factory actions, the loads I shoot in my BAT actions will blow primers in a Remmy.
 
Thank you tightneck thats the kind of information i was looking for. ill get a hold of clarence thanks again

Bill
 
Bill, there are many choices. If you are just getting started and want to practice at 100 yards, then I would highly recommend the 60g Sierra with H335, stiff load. I am not recommending that the 60g Sierra be shot in Competition, just practice. The 60g Sierra will absolutely agg below .250, and for a new shooter, that is a real challenge to get to that point.

The 60g Sierra is one of the most accurate bullets that Sierra makes and will challenge any bench rest Shooter's ability to dope the wind! I shot BR for 8 years and made my own bullets. These 60g Sierra's shot just as well as Berger 62's and the bullets that I made.

One other thing about shooting the 60g Sierra's and H335, the H335 burns very clean at it's max velocities and the best accuracy is usually at the point to where you can't get anymore in the case and keep the bullet seated. It also had the trait of shooting tighter groups when the temp goes up! The lack of bearing surface on the 60g sierra will eliminate the practice of frequent cleaning which is a real plus in my book.

I learned of these light bullets in the 6PPC and 6 BR by Gene Harwood, NBRSA director. Gene set a world record with a 6 BR shooting his own 60g Bullets at 3700 fps.

Several years after I quit shooting Competition, I started shooting about 25,000 rounds a year at p. dogs. One of my favorite rifles was a 6 PPC in a Panda shooting my own 40-60g bullets. At 10,000 rounds through the barrel, the Hart barrel would agg .285 with 6 five shot groups having shot nothing but H335 and 60g bullets in it. I put on another barrel due to the fact that it was getting hard to get the copper out after 150 round strings. You could shoot the barrel 50 rounds, remove the bolt looking down the barrel and see no powder fouling at all!

So, if you are an informal paper puncher, then the 60g Sierra's and the H335 will absolutely test the limit of your shooting abilities. The Heavier 66 & 68g bullets are better at 200 yards due to their wind bucking ability, and they cost a heck of a lot more.

Weird thing is that I had one Panda and 8 Hall M's and the most accurate rifle that I ever had was a 700 6PPC with a 28" unturned blank in a Wood pillar bedded stock. I shot more zero's with the 700 than all the other rifles combined. Our Mind sets are often an expensive and uproductive thing.
 
Keith
The use of 60 grn Sierra's was highly recommended by my mentor, still alive, Jerry Thornbrugh. Jerry is notable for at least 2 reasons. One is is his still existing NBRSA Sporter 100 yd group record .041. Second he was the owner of T&T Trophy now Boop Awards.
Jerry liked the light 6 bullets in his 6x47 Rem. He especially commented on the Sierra 60. He shot most of the custom bullets notable Berger 62 & 65 and Malsby's.
He liked the speed he could get loading mostly a casefull of 748 ahead of WSR primers. I have never shot the Sierra's but thousands of the Berger 62's. I also considered the Berger 65 a miracle bullet but seemed I always had 5000 Berger 62 or 68 bullets to go through to get to them. By the time came to order Berger again I was making my own 66 bullets. Home grown or bought new lighter bullets in a 6 PPC are a good choice.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
Hi Stephen, I shot with Jerry in the mid 80's, heck of a guy. Not many people ever shot the lighter bullets in the 6PPC. I made bullets as light as 40g on a .750 jacket shot at 4000+ fps in a 24" Hart bbl, and they would have been very competitive, 8s ojive with a .070 meplat, and FB.. The 50g bullet shot at 3800 fps was awesome also, all shot with h335. It takes some trial and error with various sizes of punches to get the cores seated correctly. The bullet jacket gets thicker toward the base, and a smaller dia. punch must be used to seat the cores on these lighter jackets correctly.

I consider the most accurate bullet,100 yd shooting) that I made a 60g BT on a .750 jacket, with a full point up, .070 Meplat jammed .030 into the lands. It took a special throat to shoot this bullet, but at 100, I shot more zero's with it than any other bullet that I ever made or tried with a slightly compressed load of H335.

I think that my load was 31.5g of H335 with a CCI BR-2 at 3600 fps out of a heavy varmint 24" Hart barrel with a short throat.
Copper fouling was non existent due to the minimal bearing surface of this bullet. My bullets had a .2433 body with a .2436 pressure ring on the flat base bullets.

If more guys shot the 60g Sierra HP in their 6ppc, it would shock the shooting world at this bullet's accuracy. I talked to the head tec at Sierra about it's accuracy, and he said that it was the most accurate bullet that Sierra made due to the size of the "coin" that was cut to make the bullet jacket...really don't know what/how that contributes to the accuracy. I do know that as the leade gets worn in barrel throated for the 68's, that the additional bearing surface of the 60g Sierra helps get the bullet started straighter in the barrel compared to my longer-pointier bullets.

In the mind set of a lot of informal paper punchers, as the bullet starts to jump in their chamber, they consider the barrel shot out. For some reason, the 60g Sierra seemed to overcome this inaccuracy problem caused by more bullet shapes with longer ojives. My conclusion was that the more pointier the bullet was, the more important it was to touch,jam) the lands. I had one 14 twist Hart barrel that I put 10,000 rounds through using mostly 60's with 335. I really abused this barrel on p. dog towns cleaning only after firing 300 round strings,waxed bullets were used) for over 8000 rounds, it was considered a test barrel. At the 10,000 round mark, I though that I would shoot 18 groups to see how the barrel would agg, well it agg'd .287 for a total of 18 gruops shot over a period from 9:00 am to about 3:00 am. I was having fun with my shoot'en buddies at the range that day and only put up one wind flag.

I would like to mention that for an informal paper puncher, that in my experience, H335 will double the barrel life of a 6 PPC barrel compared to any version of 322...don't know why. The faster lot of 335 that you can get your hands on, the better & more accurate it is. Some years ago, there was a lot of 2230-S that produced spectacular velocities with extreme accuracy. It made the gun sound like a cannon going off, we named it Chineese firecracker powder!

Much talk is always of bullets, powder, and loads. We should not forget to mention encouraging new and informal paper punchers in the use of wind flags and targets with mirage bars on them, because the ability to read the wind and Mirage is at least as important AS finding the right load.
 
Keith
If you shot with Jerry you had to have known the Lawrence's and Erik Miller. Talked to Jerry a couple days ago. I bought both my rails from these guys and Frank's State Champion 600 action. thanks for bringing up H335 powder. With all the coverage on N133 and T powders H335 is hardly mentioned. As most that know Walt Berger knew H335 was his favorite powder in his .222 and other 22 cats for his Big Gun.
Keith we need to talk more are you still shooting.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
thanks again guys good reading and thats what im doing now is shooting different loads and grain bullets and shooting them for groups through the chronograph thanks again

Bill
 
lets bring this to the top to get some other guys advice i did talk to clarence he had some great advice thanks again bill
 

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