What has made group size shrink since the early 80's

[Pappy42]

Finding out what the winners do from this forum.

 

[nmkid]

The equipment. Example. I quit shooting muzzle loaders around 1985. Two years ago I decided it was time to get into it again. I thought, wow, as I wandered around the muzzle loader rifle section. I didn't know what 75% of the items were!! The last time I had that feeling was in high school when I opened my Freshman algebra book!!

 

[bench]

I think all you guys are wrong!!
It was my ability to convince my wife to let me spend more time and money on my hobby.
Got to run now the wife wants the windows washed before I go to the range.

 

[expiper]

you are all correct,,,it is the combination of bullets,,bbl,,powder,,stock,,wind flags,,,,,,,but to answer the question "I" think THE big thing is having scopes that hold their zero,,,(or are frozen),,,I have shot short range since the early 70's and started long range ~2002,,,I remember at first I was chided about having a 36x scope,,,especially at 600-1000yds,,,,many said a 24 or 8x25 variable was all you would ever need !!!! hahah,,,today if you arent shooting almost twice that much magnification you are being ridiculed,,hahaha,,,,,more important than magnification is the ability of these new generation scopes to track reliably and uniformly and stay there and not waver around to settle down,,,,Roger

 

[VaRandy]

Ok, I'd suggest better barrel manufacturing techniques, improved bullet design and more consistent construction, better knowledge base due to the availability of information, generally a higher standard in equipment manufacture etc etc.

You nailed it.

 

[6MMsteve]

Lot's of things I'm now trying for the 1st time, bought a Chrono the other day have lots to do there also, Used a chrono long time ago but didn't get my moneys worth just measured speeds and that's it, no testing really of any kind

 

[savagedasher]

Just like all the sport. Money. Larry

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Just like all the sport. Money. Larry

Money doen't equal smaller groups. Some of the best shooters I know are normal working class with limited budgets. Dedication equals success in my opinion.

 

[JRS]

Money doen't equal smaller groups. Some of the best shooters I know are normal working class with limited budgets. Dedication equals success in my opinion.

That's a fact

 

[dragman]

Money doesn't hurt though! lol
You need - Time, Money, and Talent - You have to have at least some of all or it isn't going to work 2 out of 3 isn't going to cut it.

 

[savagedasher]

Money doen't equal smaller groups. Some of the best shooters I know are normal working class with limited budgets. Dedication equals success in my opinion.

Without money they wouldn't of been able to buy the good products . They wouldn't of be available.
You can put all the dedication you want into junk and you still have junk. lol Larry

 

[JRS]

Without money they wouldn't of been able to buy the good products . They wouldn't of be available.
You can put all the dedication you want into junk and you still have junk. lol Larry

Commitment and dedication= success.

 

[hogpatrol]

Without money they wouldn't of been able to buy the good products . They wouldn't of be available.
You can put all the dedication you want into junk and you still have junk. lol Larry

Roger that Larry. I may be misquoting but someone made this pronouncement about winning in drag racing. "Cubic inches doesn't win races, you need cubic dollars". I think it was Kenny Bernstein.

 

[savagedasher]

Roger that Larry. I may be misquoting but someone made this pronouncement about winning in drag racing. "Cubic inches doesn't win races, you need cubic dollars". I think it was Kenny Bernstein.

Three things that Win race is cubic inches cubic Dollars And knowledge . With cubic dollars you can buy all. Larry

 

[dragman]

Commitment and dedication= success.

Yes but your not taking a cheap old military conversion and beating a custom gun in a benchrest match.

 

[savagedasher]

Yes but your not taking a cheap old military conversion and beating a custom gun in a benchrest match.

Anybody that wold believe that I have some beach front property for sale in Montana .
lol Larry

 

[JRS]

Yes but your not taking a cheap old military conversion and beating a custom gun in a benchrest match.

No, I'm not.

 

[JRS]

Three things that Win race is cubic inches cubic Dollars And knowledge . With cubic dollars you can buy all. Larry

As long as you are talking about nitro burning engines CI isn't the cure-all.

 

[BenPerfected]

Group size isn't the only think that has shrunk since the 80's.

 

[joshb]

You can put all the dedication you want into junk and you still have junk. lol Larry[/QUOTE]

You mean I should stop trying?