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Waisted barrels

I would say I do 100 rounds of fire forming and brass prep. The next 100 are getting the load sorted out. I own my reamers and use custom dies and the same bullets for SR & LR that are home rolled from a few friends here in Pa.. I have had a few barrels go away on me prematurely, probably from a combination of cleaning practices and barrel heat from long strings of fire. I have found that I can do load development for the entire life of a barrel, trying and learning different things that do and don't work, and have a HOOT doing it. I don't think I have ever had a new barrel that was just crap.

Regards
Rick
 
R.Morehouse said:
I have found that I can do load development for the entire life of a barrel, trying and learning different things that do and don't work, and have a HOOT doing it.
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Thanks for posting this. Most barrels will shoot good without much work if you have a combination that works.

I also find myself doing load development throughout the life of most barrels. Always looking for that “hummer load”. I learn what works and what will not, and have found loads that shoot much smaller after 400+ rounds making slight changes.
 
Nobody mentioned action issues or actions not being maintained/cleaned either as well as bedding etc...

Three rifles/actions in the last month here. One rifle we stripped and rebarreled. Had a Obermeyer on it. Was a PD rifle. Lucky if the barrel had 1500 rounds on it in 308win. They told me it shot 4moa! They asked me to look at the barrel/gun. When I bore scoped the barrel.. I asked a simple question. When was it cleaned last? I showed them all the carbon build up and the copper fouling as well. They said, "the previous guy in charge told them not to clean the guns at all! Only to run a oiled patch down the bore if they got caught out in the rain."

When John took the bolt assy apart... firing pin and spring assy had rust all over it.

The other two guns... wouldn't shoot... and both in 300RUM. Beat our heads against the wall on the first one. Put a new barrel on it and does the exact same thing. One lot of ammo the groups are just big and round and the other ammo... would string the groups. Last thing we looked at... took the bolts apart... firing pin and spring assy's all cacked up with old oil, gummy solvents, carbon/dirt etc... All we did was clean the firing pin assy and the inside of the bolt body. Take them out and both shot sub 1/2moa. One gun with box ammo actually was shooting 1/3moa at a 100 yards. Both prior where 1-1.5moa guns. Our barrels on both.

Some routine gun maintenance goes a long way.

Also we've seen burrs inside the bolt bodies from when the bolts got made. Deburr the vent holes and no more ignition issues and the guns go to shooting just fine. Seen it on factory actions as well as custom actions. Not to mention firing pin and spring issues we've seen as well.
 
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rayporter said:
it is a "thing" at this moment in time to not clean among a lot shooters. i use that term "shooter" loosely.
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I will preface this by saying I am not a Benchrest or competitive shooter at the moment. A good rifle for me is one that I can routinely shoot 0.75" 5-shot groups. A great rifle for me is one that will routinely shoot 0.5" 5-shot groups.
That being said, I don't clean my rifle's bores until they tell me they need it. The chambers do get wiped out and I also wipe down my bolts, but the bores don't get touched until groups start opening up. Bolt internals are maintained correctly (no grease or oil) and they are stored in climate controlled environments.

I have no problems with any my guns following this process. Obviously, this isn't for everyone, but it works for me in my situation.

Now, in regards to the topic of the thread, I know of quite a few firearms that were sent down the road because "they wouldn't shoot". A lot of time the problem was the person pulling the trigger, not the firearm itself.
 
HandgunHTR said:
I will preface this by saying I am not a Benchrest or competitive shooter at the moment. A good rifle for me is one that I can routinely shoot 0.75" 5-shot groups. A great rifle for me is one that will routinely shoot 0.5" 5-shot groups.
That being said, I don't clean my rifle's bores until they tell me they need it. The chambers do get wiped out and I also wipe down my bolts, but the bores don't get touched until groups start opening up. Bolt internals are maintained correctly (no grease or oil) and they are stored in climate controlled environments.

I have no problems with any my guns following this process. Obviously, this isn't for everyone, but it works for me in my situation.

Now, in regards to the topic of the thread, I know of quite a few firearms that were sent down the road because "they wouldn't shoot". A lot of time the problem was the person pulling the trigger, not the firearm itself.
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At .5-.75 moa, I think they’re telling you they need it??
 
I think 100 rounds is pretty fair.

I gave an r700 varmint 223 about 150rds(four bullets, three powders, two scopes). 1 to 1.5", no thanks. Bought a savage 12fv 223 soon after, .5 moa on shots 15-20. That 12fv was was under 400$ out the door of cabelas. Whole rifle for cheaper than a cut rifled blank today.
 
precision1 said:
C
Care to explain what you call incorrectly? Very subjective if you call cleaning every time you shoot incorrectly?
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Sure. What I call incorrectly is leaving substantial fouling and copper in the bore and perhaps not even oiling it with anything more than WD-40.
Yes, I've known a bunch of guys who do just that. Don't even own a bore brush of any type.
I just smile and keep to myself.
As far as benchrest shooters and every shoot cleaning go, I'm evaluating cleaning methods myself to see what works for me. Still a work in progress. It does involve a brush and more than WD-40. I'll say that much.
 
AlNyhus said:
Many 'bad barrels' are caused by:
-No wind flags
-Poor bedding
-Table manners
-Seating depth waaaaay off
-Neck tension waaaaay off

You can also insert 'bad scope' for 'bad barrel'.

Good shootin' :)
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AlNyhus said:
Many 'bad barrels' are caused by:
-No wind flags
-Poor bedding
-Table manners
-Seating depth waaaaay off
-Neck tension waaaaay off

You can also insert 'bad scope' for 'bad barrel'.

Good shootin' :) -Al
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^^^^^ yep
 
HandgunHTR said:
These are hunting rifles, not benchrest rifles.
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Like factory guns or custom guns? I feel like if they’re custom you’re leaving a lot on the table. I don’t have anything but hunting rifles and they shoot exceptionally well. Just wondering, not bashing.
 
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