Varget for more speed?

[DirtySteve]

The main goal of reloading should be accuracy not speed. Speed is fine but accuracy is final. So what I am getting at are your current groups nice and tight as you were moving up in charge weight. Were they getting bigger or smaller.? If they are getting bigger I think you are past the sweet spot. With small primers in the Creedmoor I think you are going to show high pressure signs on your brass first and not necessarily on the primers. So be very careful.

 

[Zero333]

In theory.......

Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 130, Norma VLD Diamond 66508
Useable Case Capaci: 47.192 grain H2O = 3.064 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 109 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 108.1 49.1 3.18 3015 99.1 60000 11220 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 98.0 44.7 2.90 2991 100.0 60000 9997 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 100.7 46.7 3.02 2985 99.9 60000 10491 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 109.0 48.4 3.14 2972 95.9 58639 11222 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 97.0 44.3 2.87 2969 100.0 60000 9936 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 97.0 44.3 2.87 2969 100.0 60000 9936 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 107.8 48.2 3.12 2965 96.4 60000 10879 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 108.6 47.7 3.09 2948 96.3 60000 10759 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 109.0 47.9 3.11 2948 97.7 57923 10872 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 109.0 47.9 3.11 2948 97.7 57923 10872 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 109.0 47.9 3.11 2948 97.7 57923 10872 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 109.0 50.4 3.27 2947 94.0 57750 11177 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 104.0 45.0 2.92 2940 100.0 60000 9482 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 109.0 51.6 3.35 2935 98.2 59487 10432 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 98.4 45.6 2.96 2933 99.5 60000 10186 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 99.1 45.2 2.93 2933 100.0 60000 9883 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 101.7 45.7 2.96 2932 99.5 60000 10171 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 106.2 46.2 2.99 2929 97.8 60000 10387 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 96.0 44.2 2.86 2925 99.1 60000 10155 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 96.0 44.2 2.86 2925 99.1 60000 10155 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 105.4 45.6 2.96 2924 97.7 60000 10298 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 106.9 46.5 3.01 2921 97.8 60000 10307 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 101.2 43.5 2.82 2914 100.0 60000 9767 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 101.2 43.5 2.82 2914 100.0 60000 9765 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 98.2 43.7 2.83 2913 100.0 60000 9890 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 100.6 43.7 2.83 2911 100.0 60000 9746 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 100.6 45.2 2.93 2901 97.5 60000 10083 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 103.8 45.2 2.93 2901 97.5 60000 10083 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 103.8 45.2 2.93 2901 97.5 60000 10083 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 106.2 44.2 2.87 2896 100.0 60000 9556 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 106.5 46.8 3.03 2894 98.6 60000 9961 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 94.4 42.4 2.75 2892 100.0 60000 9381 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 107.1 47.1 3.05 2891 95.6 60000 10112 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 93.3 41.9 2.72 2890 100.0 60000 9308 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 91.4 42.4 2.74 2886 100.0 60000 9281 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 86.3 41.8 2.71 2885 100.0 60000 9253 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 101.4 44.8 2.90 2882 98.8 60000 9780 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 90.9 39.6 2.56 2879 100.0 60000 9280 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 104.5 47.9 3.11 2877 97.6 60000 9831 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 103.9 43.7 2.83 2877 100.0 60000 8978 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 109.0 47.1 3.05 2873 95.2 55988 10367 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 91.8 39.9 2.59 2872 100.0 60000 9253 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 91.8 39.9 2.59 2872 100.0 60000 9253 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 91.8 39.9 2.59 2872 100.0 60000 9253 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 109.0 50.6 3.28 2871 95.4 53637 10803 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 92.2 40.1 2.60 2869 100.0 60000 9178 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 109.0 50.6 3.28 2866 95.2 53332 10797 1.209
Lovex S070 100.5 43.2 2.80 2866 99.1 60000 9619 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 93.1 41.4 2.68 2865 99.9 60000 9394 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 104.5 44.8 2.90 2864 96.5 60000 9768 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 86.8 41.2 2.67 2863 100.0 60000 9053 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 103.2 43.9 2.84 2862 98.5 60000 9556 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 109.0 46.9 3.04 2861 96.5 52709 10628 1.226
Winchester WXR 109.0 46.9 3.04 2861 96.5 52709 10628 1.226
IMR 4350 101.3 43.8 2.84 2861 98.6 60000 9540 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 93.6 41.2 2.67 2861 100.0 60000 9043 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 93.6 41.2 2.67 2861 100.0 60000 9043 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 109.0 47.4 3.07 2859 99.3 57804 9708 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 89.8 41.6 2.70 2857 99.9 60000 9280 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 95.0 41.7 2.70 2855 99.2 60000 9308 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 95.8 41.2 2.67 2855 100.0 60000 8966 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 87.1 40.5 2.62 2855 100.0 60000 9041 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 93.7 40.1 2.60 2855 100.0 60000 8917 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 50 91.5 41.4 2.68 2853 99.9 60000 9188 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 84.3 39.5 2.56 2853 100.0 60000 8723 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 88.5 38.5 2.50 2852 100.0 60000 8952 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 88.9 38.7 2.51 2851 100.0 60000 9007 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 95.8 40.8 2.64 2849 100.0 60000 8972 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 92.7 41.6 2.70 2848 99.9 60000 9144 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 89.6 40.2 2.61 2846 100.0 60000 8948 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 99.2 42.2 2.74 2843 99.6 60000 9280 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 97.9 41.8 2.71 2840 98.5 60000 9411 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 97.9 41.8 2.71 2840 98.5 60000 9411 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 94.8 41.8 2.71 2839 98.5 60000 9405 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 87.2 40.9 2.65 2837 99.7 60000 9178 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 87.9 41.0 2.66 2836 99.9 60000 9060 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 94.1 39.8 2.58 2836 100.0 60000 8930 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 94.5 39.8 2.58 2836 100.0 60000 8930 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 96.7 41.8 2.71 2835 99.6 60000 9089 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 86.2 39.1 2.54 2832 100.0 60000 8684 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 87.9 41.2 2.67 2830 100.0 60000 8722 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 103.3 47.9 3.10 2830 95.6 60000 9543 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 84.6 39.6 2.57 2828 100.0 60000 8703 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 95.0 39.0 2.53 2827 100.0 60000 8747 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 91.1 37.1 2.40 2826 100.0 60000 8275 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 88.7 39.8 2.58 2825 100.0 60000 8475 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 86.7 39.8 2.58 2825 100.0 60000 8475 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 92.7 39.3 2.54 2823 100.0 60000 8606 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 85.5 37.4 2.42 2823 100.0 60000 8577 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 109.0 46.1 2.99 2821 94.6 55404 9895 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 93.2 39.7 2.57 2820 100.0 60000 8461 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 109.0 46.1 2.99 2818 94.2 51119 10424 1.234
ADI AP 2214 109.0 49.2 3.19 2815 94.5 53142 10282 1.214
IMR 8208 XBR 87.4 38.0 2.46 2815 100.0 60000 8491 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 89.9 38.3 2.48 2813 100.0 60000 8564 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 109.0 48.3 3.13 2813 92.2 54234 10170 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 100.9 41.4 2.68 2808 100.0 60000 8439 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 85.0 39.5 2.56 2808 100.0 60000 8609 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 91.5 40.2 2.61 2806 100.0 60000 8442 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 80.5 38.2 2.48 2805 100.0 60000 8299 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 91.7 38.4 2.49 2805 100.0 60000 8456 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 89.2 38.2 2.47 2803 100.0 60000 8279 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 80.2 37.3 2.41 2802 100.0 60000 8255 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 80.1 37.3 2.42 2801 100.0 60000 8245 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 109.0 47.2 3.06 2800 98.6 47488 10491 1.275
Accurate 2230 83.0 39.1 2.53 2799 100.0 60000 8376 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 83.3 38.9 2.52 2796 100.0 60000 8273 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 83.1 38.9 2.52 2796 100.0 60000 8273 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 88.8 38.3 2.48 2795 100.0 60000 8373 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 109.0 46.9 3.04 2795 97.3 54384 9499 1.220 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 87.6 37.3 2.42 2792 100.0 60000 8128 1.226 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 80.2 36.0 2.33 2791 100.0 60000 8042 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 85.3 36.0 2.33 2791 100.0 60000 8042 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 94.9 43.1 2.79 2790 98.3 60000 8861 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 89.4 37.8 2.45 2788 100.0 60000 8353 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 40 82.1 36.4 2.36 2787 100.0 60000 8090 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 82.0 38.2 2.48 2786 100.0 60000 8156 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 109.0 45.5 2.95 2780 95.5 55512 9384 1.211 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 87.9 36.3 2.35 2780 100.0 60000 8124 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 81.5 36.6 2.37 2780 100.0 60000 8137 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 88.8 38.2 2.48 2776 100.0 60000 8219 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 91.3 38.9 2.52 2776 100.0 60000 7969 1.191 ! Near Maximum !

 

[mic2377]

I have a 6.5 CM but it is a gas gun. I had considered a wide variety of powders but settled on Varget under 123 gr projectiles. This was not for max velocity, but lower port pressure that is easier on the brass and the gun.

If max speed was the consideration I would definitely give RL-17 a shot, or N550. Both are dense, high-energy powders. Now temp sensitivity and tuning are another matter. Another option would be Superformance.

 

[sbhooper]

Varget will not get you there with that heavy of a bullet. I get over 3000 on 129 Hornadys in my .260 using a max load of Re17. 2800 is easily attainable, but 3000 is tougher to get to. The Creed will be slightly slower than my .260 for the most part.

I shot some 120 Speers with Varget and they shot real well, but I did not chrono them.

 

[North Fork]

Try V V 550

 

[L W P]

In theory.......

Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 130, Norma VLD Diamond 66508
Useable Case Capaci: 47.192 grain H2O = 3.064 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 109 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 108.1 49.1 3.18 3015 99.1 60000 11220 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 98.0 44.7 2.90 2991 100.0 60000 9997 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 100.7 46.7 3.02 2985 99.9 60000 10491 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 109.0 48.4 3.14 2972 95.9 58639 11222 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 97.0 44.3 2.87 2969 100.0 60000 9936 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 97.0 44.3 2.87 2969 100.0 60000 9936 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 107.8 48.2 3.12 2965 96.4 60000 10879 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 108.6 47.7 3.09 2948 96.3 60000 10759 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 109.0 47.9 3.11 2948 97.7 57923 10872 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 109.0 47.9 3.11 2948 97.7 57923 10872 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 109.0 47.9 3.11 2948 97.7 57923 10872 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 109.0 50.4 3.27 2947 94.0 57750 11177 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 104.0 45.0 2.92 2940 100.0 60000 9482 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 109.0 51.6 3.35 2935 98.2 59487 10432 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 98.4 45.6 2.96 2933 99.5 60000 10186 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 99.1 45.2 2.93 2933 100.0 60000 9883 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 101.7 45.7 2.96 2932 99.5 60000 10171 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 106.2 46.2 2.99 2929 97.8 60000 10387 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 96.0 44.2 2.86 2925 99.1 60000 10155 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 96.0 44.2 2.86 2925 99.1 60000 10155 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 105.4 45.6 2.96 2924 97.7 60000 10298 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 106.9 46.5 3.01 2921 97.8 60000 10307 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 101.2 43.5 2.82 2914 100.0 60000 9767 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 101.2 43.5 2.82 2914 100.0 60000 9765 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 98.2 43.7 2.83 2913 100.0 60000 9890 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 100.6 43.7 2.83 2911 100.0 60000 9746 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 100.6 45.2 2.93 2901 97.5 60000 10083 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 103.8 45.2 2.93 2901 97.5 60000 10083 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 103.8 45.2 2.93 2901 97.5 60000 10083 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 106.2 44.2 2.87 2896 100.0 60000 9556 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 106.5 46.8 3.03 2894 98.6 60000 9961 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 94.4 42.4 2.75 2892 100.0 60000 9381 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 107.1 47.1 3.05 2891 95.6 60000 10112 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 93.3 41.9 2.72 2890 100.0 60000 9308 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 91.4 42.4 2.74 2886 100.0 60000 9281 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 86.3 41.8 2.71 2885 100.0 60000 9253 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 101.4 44.8 2.90 2882 98.8 60000 9780 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 90.9 39.6 2.56 2879 100.0 60000 9280 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 104.5 47.9 3.11 2877 97.6 60000 9831 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 103.9 43.7 2.83 2877 100.0 60000 8978 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 109.0 47.1 3.05 2873 95.2 55988 10367 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 91.8 39.9 2.59 2872 100.0 60000 9253 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 91.8 39.9 2.59 2872 100.0 60000 9253 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 91.8 39.9 2.59 2872 100.0 60000 9253 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 109.0 50.6 3.28 2871 95.4 53637 10803 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 92.2 40.1 2.60 2869 100.0 60000 9178 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 109.0 50.6 3.28 2866 95.2 53332 10797 1.209
Lovex S070 100.5 43.2 2.80 2866 99.1 60000 9619 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 93.1 41.4 2.68 2865 99.9 60000 9394 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 104.5 44.8 2.90 2864 96.5 60000 9768 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 86.8 41.2 2.67 2863 100.0 60000 9053 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 103.2 43.9 2.84 2862 98.5 60000 9556 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 109.0 46.9 3.04 2861 96.5 52709 10628 1.226
Winchester WXR 109.0 46.9 3.04 2861 96.5 52709 10628 1.226
IMR 4350 101.3 43.8 2.84 2861 98.6 60000 9540 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 93.6 41.2 2.67 2861 100.0 60000 9043 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 93.6 41.2 2.67 2861 100.0 60000 9043 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 109.0 47.4 3.07 2859 99.3 57804 9708 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 89.8 41.6 2.70 2857 99.9 60000 9280 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 95.0 41.7 2.70 2855 99.2 60000 9308 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 95.8 41.2 2.67 2855 100.0 60000 8966 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 87.1 40.5 2.62 2855 100.0 60000 9041 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 93.7 40.1 2.60 2855 100.0 60000 8917 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 50 91.5 41.4 2.68 2853 99.9 60000 9188 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 84.3 39.5 2.56 2853 100.0 60000 8723 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 88.5 38.5 2.50 2852 100.0 60000 8952 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 88.9 38.7 2.51 2851 100.0 60000 9007 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 95.8 40.8 2.64 2849 100.0 60000 8972 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 92.7 41.6 2.70 2848 99.9 60000 9144 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 89.6 40.2 2.61 2846 100.0 60000 8948 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 99.2 42.2 2.74 2843 99.6 60000 9280 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 97.9 41.8 2.71 2840 98.5 60000 9411 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 97.9 41.8 2.71 2840 98.5 60000 9411 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 94.8 41.8 2.71 2839 98.5 60000 9405 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 87.2 40.9 2.65 2837 99.7 60000 9178 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 87.9 41.0 2.66 2836 99.9 60000 9060 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 94.1 39.8 2.58 2836 100.0 60000 8930 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 94.5 39.8 2.58 2836 100.0 60000 8930 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 96.7 41.8 2.71 2835 99.6 60000 9089 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 86.2 39.1 2.54 2832 100.0 60000 8684 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 87.9 41.2 2.67 2830 100.0 60000 8722 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 103.3 47.9 3.10 2830 95.6 60000 9543 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 84.6 39.6 2.57 2828 100.0 60000 8703 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 95.0 39.0 2.53 2827 100.0 60000 8747 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 91.1 37.1 2.40 2826 100.0 60000 8275 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 88.7 39.8 2.58 2825 100.0 60000 8475 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 86.7 39.8 2.58 2825 100.0 60000 8475 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 92.7 39.3 2.54 2823 100.0 60000 8606 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 85.5 37.4 2.42 2823 100.0 60000 8577 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 109.0 46.1 2.99 2821 94.6 55404 9895 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 93.2 39.7 2.57 2820 100.0 60000 8461 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 109.0 46.1 2.99 2818 94.2 51119 10424 1.234
ADI AP 2214 109.0 49.2 3.19 2815 94.5 53142 10282 1.214
IMR 8208 XBR 87.4 38.0 2.46 2815 100.0 60000 8491 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 89.9 38.3 2.48 2813 100.0 60000 8564 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 109.0 48.3 3.13 2813 92.2 54234 10170 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 100.9 41.4 2.68 2808 100.0 60000 8439 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 85.0 39.5 2.56 2808 100.0 60000 8609 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 91.5 40.2 2.61 2806 100.0 60000 8442 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 80.5 38.2 2.48 2805 100.0 60000 8299 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 91.7 38.4 2.49 2805 100.0 60000 8456 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 89.2 38.2 2.47 2803 100.0 60000 8279 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 80.2 37.3 2.41 2802 100.0 60000 8255 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 80.1 37.3 2.42 2801 100.0 60000 8245 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 109.0 47.2 3.06 2800 98.6 47488 10491 1.275
Accurate 2230 83.0 39.1 2.53 2799 100.0 60000 8376 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 83.3 38.9 2.52 2796 100.0 60000 8273 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 83.1 38.9 2.52 2796 100.0 60000 8273 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 88.8 38.3 2.48 2795 100.0 60000 8373 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 109.0 46.9 3.04 2795 97.3 54384 9499 1.220 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 87.6 37.3 2.42 2792 100.0 60000 8128 1.226 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 80.2 36.0 2.33 2791 100.0 60000 8042 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 85.3 36.0 2.33 2791 100.0 60000 8042 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 94.9 43.1 2.79 2790 98.3 60000 8861 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 89.4 37.8 2.45 2788 100.0 60000 8353 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 40 82.1 36.4 2.36 2787 100.0 60000 8090 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 82.0 38.2 2.48 2786 100.0 60000 8156 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 109.0 45.5 2.95 2780 95.5 55512 9384 1.211 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 87.9 36.3 2.35 2780 100.0 60000 8124 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 81.5 36.6 2.37 2780 100.0 60000 8137 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 88.8 38.2 2.48 2776 100.0 60000 8219 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 91.3 38.9 2.52 2776 100.0 60000 7969 1.191 ! Near Maximum !

Do these numbers reflect on using Lapua small primer 6.5 Creedmoor brass ?

 

[L W P]

Looking for more speed ,hoping for 3000fps with Norma 130gr bullets out of my 6.5 Creedmoor 24" barreled RPR. Using the new Lapua brass I have gotten close with H-4350 using CCI-450 primers. But I just can't get enough powder in the case with out a lot of crunching going on.Was thinking about using Varget, has anyone used this powder with any success on accuracy and speed ? I love the new Lapua small primer brasswith H-4350 and 140gr bullets. Getting great results with 43.5grs and Berger Hybrids (2850-2855fps). Would just like to get 3000fps out of the Norma 130's.Anyone have any comments? Thanks

OP

 

[Zero333]

Do these numbers reflect on using Lapua small primer 6.5 Creedmoor brass ?

The quickload estimate represents data generating 60,000 psi ( or 109% case fill, which ever comes first ) regardless of brass make.
If the Lapua brass can handle 5,000 psi more than others the you can expect higher velocities with it for sure.

 

[RRG]

The quickload estimate represents data generating 60,000 psi ( or 109% case fill, which ever comes first ) regardless of brass make.
If the Lapua brass can handle 5,000 psi more than others the you can expect higher velocities with it for sure.

 

[Kiwi Greg]

Looking at loading up the 130 Norma in my RPR this week.
I have Norma, Hornady & Lapua brass to try in it.
Will be trying RL16 as it has given me great velocity in the past in the other 6.5CMs I have built up & loaded for.
The RPR has a pretty short magazine though.

That quickload data is interesting as it gives different numbers for the same powders, ie ADI 2209 which is H4350 ?

 

[L W P]

Looking at loading up the 130 Norma in my RPR this week.
I have Norma, Hornady & Lapua brass to try in it.
Will be trying RL16 as it has given me great velocity in the past in the other 6.5CMs I have built up & loaded for.
The RPR has a pretty short magazine though.

That quickload data is interesting as it gives different numbers for the same powders, ie ADI 2209 which is H4350 ?

Thanks Kiwi Greg, are you using the original mags that come with the RPR or the MagPul AI mags that you can get a 2.845" OAL cartridge in? I've been using the later with no flaws. I only have the 5rd mags, but would like to try the 10rd. Also one nice thing about these mags too is that the bolt can be closed on a empty mag unlike the mags that come with the RPR. Hope to here how the Norma 130gr works with the RL16 and Lapua small primer Creedmoor brass. I was hoping that someone here had tried them with Varget just because of the insensitivity to heat. Thanks again for your reply and hope to see results posted on your loads.
http://www.primaryarms.com/magpul-pmag-5-aics-short-action-7-62x51mm-magazine-mag549

 

[Kiwi Greg]

Thanks Kiwi Greg, are you using the original mags that come with the RPR or the MagPul AI mags that you can get a 2.845" OAL cartridge in? I've been using the later with no flaws. I only have the 5rd mags, but would like to try the 10rd. Also one nice thing about these mags too is that the bolt can be closed on a empty mag unlike the mags that come with the RPR. Hope to here how the Norma 130gr works with the RL16 and Lapua small primer Creedmoor brass. I was hoping that someone here had tried them with Varget just because of the insensitivity to heat. Thanks again for your reply and hope to see results posted on your loads.
http://www.primaryarms.com/magpul-pmag-5-aics-short-action-7-62x51mm-magazine-mag549

Thanks for the link.
I'm using the standard mags & have ground some off the follower so you can single feed it, still a little stiff to use though.
I have the Hornady, Norma & Lapua rounds loaded up, just have to wait until the weekend.
The 130 Norma just fit in my standard mag with a 10 thou jump.