Do you think a bullet doesn’t do the same thing? Do you think those irregularities stay on the inside of the neck when a round hard bullet is seated?If your necks are not turned, any inconsistency in thickness becomes I.D inconsistency when using a bushing (or f/l fixed die). The idea of both an expander ball and mandrel is that it provide the exact same I.D. of the case after being run, regardless of neck thickness.
What he saidThe diameter of the neck isn't the only parameter of interest. The springiness of the neck is also important. I also use an FL bushing die and then finish with an expander mandrel. I believe this gives a more consistent true neck tension. One indication of consistent neck tension is that when I adopted the practice of finishing with a mandrel, I noticed more consistent resistance when seating the bullet.
Yes, but you would like to minimize the bullet functioning as an espender mandrel.Do you think a bullet doesn’t do the same thing? Do you think those irregularities stay on the inside of the neck when a round hard bullet is seated?
The idea of brass prep and correct dimension, is to have the case ready to receive the projectle. I want that bullet in straight!Do you think a bullet doesn’t do the same thing? Do you think those irregularities stay on the inside of the neck when a round hard bullet is seated?
I've been using an expander mandrel (a neck turning expander since that's all I had at the time) since early 2017 when I first started shooting... I just figured back then, that the bullet only touches the inside portion of the neck - so I wanted the inside of the neck as perfectly round as possible...Hi,
If one is using a FL bushing die to set the desired neck tension, does it make any sense to afterwards use a expander mandrel with the same intention?
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Tiago
Yup...this.Use a bushing die to just bring it just under expander mandrel size, then use the expander mandrel to bring the ID to proper size.
The guys who use a mandrel, what discipline do you shoot? I don't see the benefit using a mandrel in short range benchrest competition. You would need a separate dedicated press to save time.
I would say that the majority of the shooters who use a expander mandrel are shooting F class , from my experience . We load our rounds and prep our brass based on a "system" / procedure we have learned that has become repeatable and consistent . Our rounds are loaded at home ; before matches , due to the number of rounds we will shoot in a Match . Sometimes as many as 2 - 300 rounds for one big Match . I had 430 rounds loaded for the FCNC this last year , in advance of the Match . Most F shooters strive to reduce their SD/ ES down as low as possible because they've found low SD/ES numbers translate to consistency on the target , generally speaking . As someone already said ; reducing the I.D. to a dimension slightly below what is desired , and then using a expander to raise that diameter to the desired dimension , for proper neck interference , (neck tension ) . And this process makes ALL of the cases more consistent across the group of cases being worked .The guys who use a mandrel, what discipline do you shoot? I don't see the benefit using a mandrel in short range benchrest competition. You would need a separate dedicated press to save time.