urbanrifleman
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Just signed up for Fedex. So USPS and Fedex it is!!!
For the time being.
For the time being.
UPS Changes to Gun Shipping Policies
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Tucker65
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I'm setting up an account with my UPS sales rep and have to have three different accounts. One for firearms, another for firearm parts, and a third for just everyday stuff. I was told I would need to have scheduled pickups for both the firearm accounts and that those come with a weekly fee. After discussing with her that my shipping is going to be very infrequent as far as rifles or parts, she was able to wave the weekly fees for that service. I will still receive the business discounts and just need to select which account to charge depending on what I'm shipping. So far she has been very helpful and has taken quite a bit of time explaining the new regulations that she is suppose to use for these types of accounts. She should have everything set up for me next week so I'll see how it goes when she gets back to me.
urbanrifleman
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You have an FFL correct?
I wonder what they would say for those who DON'T have an FFL. For shipping "parts".
Tucker65
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Yes, I have an ffl. It sounds like you would need at least some sort of ffl to ship any firearm or firearm part according to her.
urbanrifleman
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That's the way I read it, also.
Btw, FedEx has nearly the same rates and you don't have to jump through hoops or support their horrible "policy".
Maybe the best thing would be for everyone to take their business somewhere else. Just a thought.
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Rick300
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His take on this is that the performance of this fund will depend on how tech stocks do. Tech stocks most likely won't be a part of this because they tend to be liberal and state their "woke" views. When tech stocks do poorly then this fund will do better so it has out performed the market since their inception last year. This will turn around at some point and it will underperform the market.
It sounds a little too restrictive for his liking and their future performance will be tied to how flexible they can be.
Seems to me that it's a crap shoot whether this model will work or not. I hope it does and catches on.
It sounds a little too restrictive for his liking and their future performance will be tied to how flexible they can be.
Seems to me that it's a crap shoot whether this model will work or not. I hope it does and catches on.
Brians356
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Which fund? Blackrock offers dozens of funds, and several "ESG" funds.
From Bloomberg.com (July 2022):
The first was billed as an “impact” investment, the second as an “ESG” investment and the third as “sustainable” investment.
In fact, those three BlackRock Inc. mutual funds started out as the same fund—one that was marketed and re-marketed under different names at different times as Wall Street sold the idea of investing with a social purpose.
How and why the switch was made, not once but twice in six years, is a story for these uneasy times in environmental, social and governance investing.
After a period of heady growth, ESG—a loose category of investments that vaguely promise to do good while doing well—is coming under attack from without and within.
In the US, Republicans are railing against ESG and “woke capitalism,” in a markets version of the culture wars. In the UK, a prominent ESG practitioner recently disparaged the very brand of investing he’d been promoting, exposing a level of hypocrisy that shocked even Wall Street.
Now the US Securities and Exchange Commission is examining how asset management companies are portraying ESG-type funds to an often-bewildered public.
At issue is a seemingly simple question that neither regulators nor investment pros have a clear answer for. “Impact,” “ESG,” “green,” “sustainable”: What exactly do all these different terms mean? SEC officials worry ordinary investors may be misled.
BlackRock hasn’t been accused of misleading anyone. And it’s hardly alone in doing a little ESG re-branding from time to time. Since the start of 2019, at least 65 US funds at a range of asset management companies were re-purposed as “sustainable,” according to data from Morningstar Inc.
Yet it might come as a surprise that the latest iteration of that BlackRock fund—rechristened in 2021 as the BlackRock Sustainable Advantage Large Cap Core Fund—held an $8.3 million stake in Exxon Mobil Corp. and a $1.8 million position in Halliburton Co. at the end of June.
What makes those “sustainable” investments? In an e-mailed statement, New York-based BlackRock called the fund a “benchmark aware” product that “tilts” toward or away from certain stocks based on their return potential as well as their ESG characteristics compared with the broad Russell 1000 Index. In effect, when the Russell 1000 increases its weighting for energy stocks, as it has in the past year, the fund may do so, too.
Etc.
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Brians356
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Are you referring to UPS? I'll repeat, UPS never said they will not ship firearms parts (except from walk-ins.) Please reexamine the photo posted in Post #1 by the OP.
Also, where does UPS state a scope is a "firearm part"?
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Yes UPS which is what this thread is about. Well you might want to go to the UPS customer center in Raleigh NC and tell them as she said it came up in their computer that a scope is a firearm part and they will not ship it unless you have an FFL. It's their policy.
FNSafari
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Smoke an
smoke and mirrors designed to deceive.
Brians356
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I believe she concluded herself that a "rifle scope" must be a "firearm part". One Raleigh employee's pronouncement is not equivalent to an official written statement published by UPS.
As a matter of fact, here's what UPS does publish about "scopes" (emphasis added):
“Firearm Products” means Firearms and Firearm Parts. The term Firearm Product does not include scopes.
And here's where it's published:
How To Ship Firearms | UPS - United States
Information from UPS about how to ship firearms, which are considered a special-care shipment and require some extra steps before packing them up and shipping.
www.ups.com
Said it said it in her computer so not sure if opinion or not as I argued the fact it's not a part but not allowed to ship. I am betting I am not the only one.
Brians356
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Fair enough. But UPS' published official policy states that a scope is not a Firearm Product. Unless and until they change that web page.
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urbanrifleman
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I'm sure that's not all you have to do. But I am curious to know myself.
I think there is some "approval" to your account for "parts".
What a mess.
urbanrifleman
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I think my take away is that firearms enthusiasts need to vote with their feet and stop using this company. It is intent to regulate the use of it's service to an unreasonable extent.
Just leave.
Isn't that "capitalism"? Competition? Stop trying to CONFORM AND LEAVE!!!
Just leave.
Isn't that "capitalism"? Competition? Stop trying to CONFORM AND LEAVE!!!
According to UPS’s website, they’re official policy is :
Which reads: you must be federally licensed in order to SHIP “firearm products”.
No license AND no approved UPS agreement = no shipping.
What are firearm products?
Firearm “products” are the combination of:
the definition of “firearm” as set forth in Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53, of the United States Code.
AND
“Firearm Part” which is “any part or component of a Firearm that does not by itself meet the definition of a “Firearm.””
“Firearm Parts include, but are not limited to, barrels, stocks, grips, firing pins, sights, and magazines/clips.”
“The term Firearm Product does not include scopes.”
How To Ship Firearms | UPS - United States
Information from UPS about how to ship firearms, which are considered a special-care shipment and require some extra steps before packing them up and shipping.
www.ups.com
“the sole exception that pre-packaged, pre-labeled Firearm Products may be dropped off at UPS Customer Centers.”
To simplify:
• you need to be licensed to ship “firearm products”
• you need to have separate accounts and an approved UPS agreement to ship firearms and “firearm products”
• with your approved agreement and account, you may pre-label and pre-package firearm products and drop off @ UPS Customer Centers.
These policies do not include scopes, rests, bags, case ect…
If you put action screws in a box and declare them as “rifle action screws” then that’s on you dummy.
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