Update:My new Dasher load workup

[birdog]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Frank, I use .001 neck tension, tried .002 and the group opened up. I anneal every time so it is very consistent. I shot in the wind today to see how the 105H would act in a switching wind and the old 115's ate them up.......jim

Jim,
What is your favorite 115 load. I shoot 115's more than any other bullet.

 

[johara1]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Wayne. I was letting the flags go from one 9 - 10 mph right to left and hold the same point of aim that way i see how much the bullet moves at a known value and the 105H shot big not worth measuring and the 115DTAC. shot a .3 flat with no vertical.

Birdog, 33.3 RL-15 All bullets are trimmed and pointed .001 NT. jumped .014 CCI 450

I also had a huge impact change last year with them over the 115's in a tail wind at 1 K that didn't affect the 115, strange. It is starting to form a pattern but i haven't given up just yet. I just keep banging my head against the wall that it will get better...jim

 

[pmarauder]

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Jim, i have a question on your 115 VLD vs. the 105 hybrid data. Do you think the BC numbers are exaggerated on the 105 hybrids? Are you shooting these 2 bullets out of the same gun? if so, maybe the hybrids dont like the 1-7" twist.
You mentioned that you are trimming and pointing both bullets. Berger shows that the hybrid BC is a little higher than the 115 VLD from the factory. The Hybrid will also re-capture more BC from trimming and pointing than the 115 will. Seems to me that if the 105's have a higher BC and are being shot at a higher velocity than the 115's, then the hybrids theoretically should shoot inside of the 115's?? No? What am i missing??
The reason i ask, is I just bought 2 sleeves of the 105's Ha

Derek

 

[bozo699]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Wayne. I was letting the flags go from one 9 - 10 mph right to left and hold the same point of aim that way i see how much the bullet moves at a known value and the 105H shot big not worth measuring and the 115DTAC. shot a .3 flat with no vertical.

Birdog, 33.3 RL-15 All bullets are trimmed and pointed .001 NT. jumped .014 CCI 450

I also had a huge impact change last year with them over the 115's in a tail wind at 1 K that didn't affect the 115, strange. It is starting to form a pattern but i haven't given up just yet. I just keep banging my head against the wall that it will get better...jim

Jim,
Thanks for the info, I haven't shot the 115's much since I got rid of my 1:7.5 6xc, I bought 1700 Hybrids so like Derek I hope they pan out, Derek's Dasher shot it's debut match 2 weeks ago with good success and I imagine it will do even better next weekend, I may revisit the 115's I think I have a 1000 or so of them left.
Wayne.

 

[johara1]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Wayne, I took the new one out today in the wind again to try some of the H4895. Tried 32.4, vertical 32.6 round but big, and 32.8 big also. loaded RL-15 33.5 5 shots in.188 then shot a second group .155, I can not get away from RL-15. All in all the 105's did well today. So it's still in the the trial stage but i did rule out H4895 for now. Next is to do a 115 verses the 105H.

Derek, I tried them in three different guns, two are 7.83 - 1 and one is 8 - 1. I trim and point everything, The DTAC. is trimmed and repointed also Tubb claims .585, so who do you believe, they both sell bullets. I guess the best way is to believe what works for you at 1K, The best i shot with the 105H was a 5"at 1K, the best i shot with the 115 DTAC was 2.8 and a bunch of 3's at 1K. I can now try both at 1000 and i will know the answer by fall,i hope. The 105H is showing some promise but i don't like what i see in the wind but that could change with the tune, i still have a bunch of 115's waiting.........jim

 

[birdog]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

This 115 vs 105 Hybrid is getting 'very interesting' indeed.
Keep this great inforomation hwy open.

 

[bozo699]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Wayne, I took the new one out today in the wind again to try some of the H4895. Tried 32.4, vertical 32.6 round but big, and 32.8 big also. loaded RL-15 33.5 5 shots in.188 then shot a second group .155, I can not get away from RL-15. All in all the 105's did well today. So it's still in the the trial stage but i did rule out H4895 for now. Next is to do a 115 verses the 105H.

Derek, I tried them in three different guns, two are 7.83 - 1 and one is 8 - 1. I trim and point everything, The DTAC. is trimmed and repointed also Tubb claims .585, so who do you believe, they both sell bullets. I guess the best way is to believe what works for you at 1K, The best i shot with the 105H was a 5"at 1K, the best i shot with the 115 DTAC was 2.8 and a bunch of 3's at 1K. I can now try both at 1000 and i will know the answer by fall,i hope. The 105H is showing some promise but i don't like what i see in the wind but that could change with the tune, i still have a bunch of 115's waiting.........jim

Jim,
That is all very interesting and I appreciate the info, I myself have never had the best of luck w/RL-15, partly because I hate all the soot all over my brass,...maybe I am not using enough neck tension with the 15, how much tension are you running with it? also I am sure you already posted it but what primer are you using with it, I sure would like to be able to satisfactory use the 15 because I get a good Company discount on it, I get no discount on the Hodgdon powders! I have no allegiance to it it just seems to work the best for me. As birdog said lets keep this great info coming
Wayne.

 

[bozo699]

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P.S I had a beautiful day here, NO WIND!! for the first time all winter and I was down in my loading room prepping some 6brx cases and some 105H to try at 500 then move to 1K, I had 19 cases left to resize when my wife came running down to the loading room out of breath and said my neighbors house was on fire, we started first grade together and he lives 3 miles down the road from me so I dropped everything and drove mock two and spent the rest of the day down at his still standing house ;D ;D two more minutes on the outside and we wouldn't have save it, the house was made at the turn of the last century out of 12" pine boards so it would have went fast, the fire was in the chimney but spread to the wall, it took us almost 4 hours to get it completely out and the 100 year old brick chimney tore down, it is suppose to rain and snow tomorrow so I may be out of luck to finish up a load before my next match, but helping him save his house was much more important, if I am able to shoot tomorrow I will let you know how they did.
Wayne.

 

[40X Guy]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Wayne, good thing no wind yesterday or it may have been tougher saving your neighbors house.

Jim, been playing with QL hard the last 2 days and have came up with a load using IMR4895, have only shot 5 shots so far and have to prep/resize my brass before further testing. 3,066 FPS in my Dasher with 33.66 grains of IMR4895 with the H bullet @ .010 off, and rifle just feels great and group was in the ones @ 100 yards. Less pressure than H4895 as well.

Frank

 

[johara1]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Wayne, The neck tension i use is .001,tried .002 and the same load opened up. This 105H is the first 105 -108 that i can get to shoot small, the 115 always worked for me no matter what brand of barrel. I changed reamers last year and the free bore is .155 and it works great with the 115 and the 105H but if they work out i will move back to the .136 free bore.
Now the (dirt) in RL-15 it's a non issue. I have shot over 70 rds. with out cleaning to see if the acc. was effected and it did open a little but it would still shoot in 4" at 1K. I don't do that any more or do i clean super clean, just a light clean till i put it away for the year and NO brush.............jim

 

[bozo699]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Wayne, good thing no wind yesterday or it may have been tougher saving your neighbors house.

Jim, been playing with QL hard the last 2 days and have came up with a load using IMR4895, have only shot 5 shots so far and have to prep/resize my brass before further testing. 3,066 FPS in my Dasher with 33.66 grains of IMR4895 with the H bullet @ .010 off, and rifle just feels great and group was in the ones @ 100 yards. Less pressure than H4895 as well.

Frank

Frank,
Yes we mentioned that several times yesterday about the wind that has been non stop here for weeks, but absent yesterday,...very luck indeed!

I have thought if trying the IMR but hadn't, I will await to hear more from you on the subject.

Wayne, The neck tension i use is .001,tried .002 and the same load opened up. This 105H is the first 105 -108 that i can get to shoot small, the 115 always worked for me no matter what brand of barrel. I changed reamers last year and the free bore is .155 and it works great with the 115 and the 105H but if they work out i will move back to the .136 free bore.
Now the (dirt) in RL-15 it's a non issue. I have shot over 70 rds. with out cleaning to see if the acc. was effected and it did open a little but it would still shoot in 4" at 1K. I don't do that any more or do i clean super clean, just a light clean till i put it away for the year and NO brush.............jim

Jim,
There are many people that have had luck with the 15 I guess I will have to revisit it, thank you for all the info on the subject.
Wayne.

 

[birdog]

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Jim,
Do you shoot the 115 DTAC with the Boron Nitrite coating?

 

[johara1]

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Birdog, I did use HBN.but i never say any gain so i stopped ......jim

 

[40X Guy]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Well, after a week off after i hurt my back and could not even left my leg much less a rifle i got back after it yesterday with the Dasher and H4895 with CCI 450 primers and Berger 105 Hybrids @ .010 off the lands. I never shot a run with 0 ES and 0 SD in my life and had to double shake my head but its only 3 shot groups @ 100 yards. Gun felt very good and shot very well. Dave Bruno built this rifle for me late last summer and i went to a match today and there he was shooting alongside of me after a winters "hibernation". But i did not debut the Dasher yet as i did not have enough rounds loaded up for the match today. I feel it will perform at LR and the "nutt behind the butt" must try to steer it. Total rounds down the pipe is 159.

Frank

 

[bozo699]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Well, after a week off after i hurt my back and could not even left my leg much less a rifle i got back after it yesterday with the Dasher and H4895 with CCI 450 primers and Berger 105 Hybrids @ .010 off the lands. I never shot a run with 0 ES and 0 SD in my life and had to double shake my head but its only 3 shot groups @ 100 yards. Gun felt very good and shot very well. Dave Bruno built this rifle for me late last summer and i went to a match today and there he was shooting alongside of me after a winters "hibernation". But i did not debut the Dasher yet as i did not have enough rounds loaded up for the match today. I feel it will perform at LR and the "nutt behind the butt" must try to steer it. Total rounds down the pipe is 159.

Frank

Frank,
I am very sorry to hear you hurt your back, I sure hope it isn't permanent, I hurt mine when I was 28 years old, that was 20 years ago I sure wished I had done what the Dr.s told me to do but I knew more then they did, I wish you a full and speedy recovery.

I told you that combo should work for you, glad to hear it is, that is the optimum velocity for the 105's in the Dasher. Best of luck when you get to that first match, I shot my first 10 shot 100 score and my first under 6" group today @ 1000 yards with the 105 Hybrids, I was very happy about that and it was with a 6brx which is almost identical to your Dasher, I want a good report from you soon
Wayne.

 

[40X Guy]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Wayne, thanks for all the help on this and to everyone else who posted here. There is a wealth of info here and in my mind some of the smartest and best shooters in the US here. Since joining 6BR 20 months ago I have learned so much its incredible. Some of my friends come over to visit while I am in the load room and think I am from another planet when I start talking about all the nuances of our addicting sport. I will debut the Dasher April 29th at a 500 meter match and have some time to prep my brass and practice shooting in the wind. My back is OK as of today and I have been fighting a bad back since I was 29 yo. also but have learned to deal with it.
Wayne, also congrats on your sub 6 inch group @ 1000

Frank

 

[bozo699]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

Well, after a week off after i hurt my back and could not even left my leg much less a rifle i got back after it yesterday with the Dasher and H4895 with CCI 450 primers and Berger 105 Hybrids @ .010 off the lands. I never shot a run with 0 ES and 0 SD in my life and had to double shake my head but its only 3 shot groups @ 100 yards. Gun felt very good and shot very well. Dave Bruno built this rifle for me late last summer and i went to a match today and there he was shooting alongside of me after a winters "hibernation". But i did not debut the Dasher yet as i did not have enough rounds loaded up for the match today. I feel it will perform at LR and the "nutt behind the butt" must try to steer it. Total rounds down the pipe is 159.

Frank

Frank,
I am very sorry to hear you hurt your back, I sure hope it isn't permanent, I hurt mine when I was 28 years old, that was 20 years ago I sure wished I had done what the Dr.s told me to do but I knew more then they did, I wish you a full and speedy recovery.

I told you that combo should work for you, glad to hear it is, that is the optimum velocity for the 105's in the Dasher. Best of luck when you get to that first match, I shot my first 10 shot 100 score and my first under 6" group today @ 1000 yards with the 105 Hybrids, I was very happy about that and it was with a 6brx which is almost identical to your Dasher, I want a good report from you soon
Wayne.

Frank,
I meant to say thought not told sorry about that :-[ I also agree with you about the great people on this site, I have learned soooo much since I joined it isn't even funny, it also gives me the opertunity to pass info on to others as well as receive info. I have learned plenty from you as well, I remember when I was having trouble with my 6*284 you gave me a lot of pointers that worked ;D I will be waiting for a report on the 29th or 30th ;D
Wayne.

 

[Forum Boss]

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Looks like I need to get some of that ZERO ES H4895 powder from Hodgdon for my 6 BRDX project.

I've never seen a zero ES but I had one 5-shot spread over the PVM-21 which went 2916, 2912, 2912, 2910, 2912. That was with Varget, CI 450, Scenar 105s.

Normally my ES for 5 shots is 15-20 fps.

 

[johara1]

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Frank, is that for 3 shots or 5? the print shows 3? maybe i'm missing something.....jim

 

[johara1]

Re: My new Dasher load workup

I don't bother much with the es till i find where it starts to shoot very small for a few 5 and 10 shot groups in a row with no vert. last year the ES was 3 with the 115's but now the 105H is doing very well but the the weather has not been that great for testing and it all starts soon very soon........jim