TS Customs RimX Build - The first 1000 rounds.

[orkan]

The one thing I find refreshing about Orkan's approach on presenting this new rifle. complete transparency I ask about the chamber and he provide the specs. none of this marketing type answer of proprietary reamer special to this rifle and barrels are not some specially made blanks that are only available to the maker of the rifle.
in my eyes he is relying on the pure performance to sell this rifle, not some black magic type of marketing.

Lee

I'm a Christian. I've never been a fan of black magic crap marketing. Fact is, I have a vault full of target rifles from the past hundred years that can shoot right with any new thing. ALL manner of barrel lengths, contours, land configurations, chamber dimensions, and actions. The concept that there's something worth hiding is ridiculous.

Look at the RimX. Nothing secret. The magic of that action isn't in what you can't see or can't know. It's in what you CAN see. ... and I've always been willing to share my knowledge. I live on my range. Not figuratively, literally. I have a 3 mile range out my back door. I shoot more precision rifle rounds each year than anyone I know, and that blessing allows me to experience quite a lot. I'm sick to death of seeing cherry-picked groups being trod out as "proof" of 22lr performance. For all those tiny groups I've seen on the internet... why don't I ever get to witness this surreal performance in person? So I have no compunction of posting real results in any conditions while testing a new actions reliability. There are some pretty crazy impressive 10 shot groups I fired in those crappy conditions with this brand new rifle. Many of them live streamed for all to see.

The reality is, good barrels, fit to good actions, perfectly bedded to good stocks, with good chambers, just shoot. There is no "magic" combination that creates this condition. If you've been following the @primalrights instagram account in the past weeks, you've seen proof of it. I've been shooting targets at 50yds, LIVE, with all manner of 22lr rifle. ALL capable of outstanding accuracy and precision. BSA martinis, Anschutz's, rem40x's, walthers, etc.

Would be interesting to see the difference if any, assuming the same .600 depth
on the BM barrels, are they special profiles or just standard straight taper?

Will the other reamer dimensions be the same except for the 1.5 degree lead?

No other changes in chamber... just the lead angle. I fully expect the 1.5 degree will shoot lapua better than this 2° does.

No special secret squirrel profiles. I have every kind of barrel length and profile imaginable in 22lr... and they all shoot crazy good.

That is part of what the RimX means to this industry. Gone is the single source provider mentality. You can order an action from wherever. (I'll happily sell you one when we get stock) Get a barrel from your favorite place. Screw it on yourself if you wish, and go shoot. THAT is progress! Bottom line is, soon you'll be able to call me up and get a TS Customs built RimX with a benchmark barrel and it will shoot great and run flawless. Once we get more actions in stock, we'll be off to the races.

 

[DirtySteve]

Orkan,
Very nice looking gun and nice groups. Custom action rimfire have been around for several years for Benchrest years, starting with the 40X. Vudoo was the first to put this rimfire package together for PRS type matches. My post may start a fire storm, but for some reason, the Vudoo guys get butt hurt very easy.

Orkan, you did kind stomp on the Vudoo's toes a bit. It think you hurt their feeling a bit, IMO. I think it is great to see other custom's coming out. It good for all of us.
Mark

Yeah, I have noticed that VuDoo guys are super loyal to the product and get butt hurt easily. There is nothing wrong with being loyal. However blindly loyal is a different matter. I got a Vudoo guy all butt hurt a while back by stating I wanted a 17 WSM. They went onto say the brass would effect the bolt lift, trigger pull and other such things and it would not work. I questioned how brass quality would effect bolt lift and trigger pull. I basically got what I felt was a long drawn out FU, with "you will be happy with your choice" at the end. I will buy a RimX and really want it in 17 WSM. I know accuracy will suffer due to ammo quality but I know this going in. I will also get a 22 LR barrel for the accuracy.

 

[orkan]

I will buy a RimX and really want it in 17 WSM.

Not to worry. We're anchoring into 17WSM in a huge way. Stay in touch! Big things coming. Some known, some not.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I'm a Christian. I've never been a fan of black magic crap marketing. Fact is, I have a vault full of target rifles from the past hundred years that can shoot right with any new thing. ALL manner of barrel lengths, contours, land configurations, chamber dimensions, and actions. The concept that there's something worth hiding is ridiculous.

Look at the RimX. Nothing secret. The magic of that action isn't in what you can't see or can't know. It's in what you CAN see. ... and I've always been willing to share my knowledge. I live on my range. Not figuratively, literally. I have a 3 mile range out my back door. I shoot more precision rifle rounds each year than anyone I know, and that blessing allows me to experience quite a lot. I'm sick to death of seeing cherry-picked groups being trod out as "proof" of 22lr performance. For all those tiny groups I've seen on the internet... why don't I ever get to witness this surreal performance in person? So I have no compunction of posting real results in any conditions while testing a new actions reliability. There are some pretty crazy impressive 10 shot groups I fired in those crappy conditions with this brand new rifle. Many of them live streamed for all to see.

The reality is, good barrels, fit to good actions, perfectly bedded to good stocks, with good chambers, just shoot. There is no "magic" combination that creates this condition. If you've been following the @primalrights instagram account in the past weeks, you've seen proof of it. I've been shooting targets at 50yds, LIVE, with all manner of 22lr rifle. ALL capable of outstanding accuracy and precision. BSA martinis, Anschutz's, rem40x's, walthers, etc.





No other changes in chamber... just the lead angle. I fully expect the 1.5 degree will shoot lapua better than this 2° does.

No special secret squirrel profiles. I have every kind of barrel length and profile imaginable in 22lr... and they all shoot crazy good.

That is part of what the RimX means to this industry. Gone is the single source provider mentality. You can order an action from wherever. (I'll happily sell you one when we get stock) Get a barrel from your favorite place. Screw it on yourself if you wish, and go shoot. THAT is progress! Bottom line is, soon you'll be able to call me up and get a TS Customs built RimX with a benchmark barrel and it will shoot great and run flawless. Once we get more actions in stock, we'll be off to the races.

As I mentioned I think it is great the way this new rifle is being presented. I don't do any social media so I didn't see how the rifle shot in real time, but I seen the targets you posted and that was good enough.
I also agree any solid action with a good barrel and chamber along with good shooting ammo will shoot.
as for the 1.5 leade, you probably read about Kevin Nevius's chamber testing for Lapua ammo and what he saw using a 1.5 leade. anybody who knows me know I only shoot Lapua so I am bias on ammo preference, but I go with what works for me.
FWIW I never heard of the RimX prior to seeing this thread, glad you started it.

Lee

 

[B23]

Not to worry. We're anchoring into 17WSM in a huge way. Stay in touch! Big things coming. Some known, some not.

Greg, do you have any kind of time frame on this? Anxiously awaiting a, truly, high quality 17 WSM build.

 

[orkan]

As I mentioned I think it is great the way this new rifle is being presented. I don't do any social media so I didn't see how the rifle shot in real time, but I seen the targets you posted and that was good enough.
I also agree any solid action with a good barrel and chamber along with good shooting ammo will shoot.
as for the 1.5 leade, you probably read about Kevin Nevius's chamber testing for Lapua ammo and what he saw using a 1.5 leade. anybody who knows me know I only shoot Lapua so I am bias on ammo preference, but I go with what works for me.
FWIW I never heard of the RimX prior to seeing this thread, glad you started it.

Lee

Wayne and I developed our chamber quite some time ago... I don't recall just how long ago, but 10-12 years maybe? ... and I don't know when Kevin released his chamber... but I remember seeing it at some point in the last year and comparing it to ours, and there sure wasn't a lot of variation. I took that as a validation of sorts, as I respect Kevin a lot. Wayne and I came to it by essentially combining two readily available reamer prints, and changing some tiny bits to our liking. With both 2° and 1.5°, it performs extremely well. I see Kevin's chamber is just a bit tighter. I elected to leave it open a bit to enhance feeding from repeaters and ensure positive ejection. Hardly matters with actions as robust as these RimX's, but we're staying with our design regardless.

Greg, do you have any kind of time frame on this? Anxiously awaiting a, truly, high quality 17 WSM build.

Whenever Zermatt ships the actions. I will not speak for them, as this covid crap has really messed with people's ability to produce things... but if I were a betting man, I'd bet july/august timeframe. They are amazing folks at Zermatt... so it could be sooner, and I know they are motivated, but could be later depending on how the world treats us all.

Not to worry... I'll be harassing them on the regular!

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Orkan, I just watched a Shot Show video on the RimX . very interesting, I like the flat face breech setup and the fact no extractor cuts. I see a barrel nut incorporation so one can play around with indexing.
also the way the bolt can be taken apart, that is a very big plus

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Wayne and I developed our chamber quite some time ago... I don't recall just how long ago, but 10-12 years maybe? ... and I don't know when Kevin released his chamber... but I remember seeing it at some point in the last year and comparing it to ours, and there sure wasn't a lot of variation. I took that as a validation of sorts, as I respect Kevin a lot. Wayne and I came to it by essentially combining two readily available reamer prints, and changing some tiny bits to our liking. With both 2° and 1.5°, it performs extremely well. I see Kevin's chamber is just a bit tighter. I elected to leave it open a bit to enhance feeding from repeaters and ensure positive ejection. Hardly matters with actions as robust as these RimX's, but we're staying with our design regardless.


Whenever Zermatt ships the actions. I will not speak for them, as this covid crap has really messed with people's ability to produce things... but if I were a betting man, I'd bet july/august timeframe. They are amazing folks at Zermatt... so it could be sooner, and I know they are motivated, but could be later depending on how the world treats us all.

Not to worry... I'll be harassing them on the regular!

On Kevin's reamer it is exactly like a Bill Myers 1.5 with just the stop removed. JGS ask for a new name since technically it no longer was a Myers design. I believe the Myers design goes back to 20-years at least, he was a firm believer in minimum engraving. for both Eley and Lapua.

 

[orkan]

On Kevin's reamer it is exactly like a Bill Myers 1.5 with just the stop removed. JGS ask for a new name since technically it no longer was a Myers design. I believe the Myers design goes back to 20-years at least, he was a firm believer in minimum engraving. for both Eley and Lapua.

I'm not going to claim to be an expert on chambers. I've tried quite a few of them, but mostly normal stuff. win52D, bentz, etc. Wayne and I were just sitting around trying to think of a way to better-deal the win52D and came up with this because we think we're smart sometimes. Just happened to work really well.

 

[B23]

Whenever Zermatt ships the actions. I will not speak for them, as this covid crap has really messed with people's ability to produce things... but if I were a betting man, I'd bet july/august timeframe. They are amazing folks at Zermatt... so it could be sooner, and I know they are motivated, but could be later depending on how the world treats us all.

Not to worry... I'll be harassing them on the regular!

Look forward to seeing the 17 WSM build. Now, if we could just get someone to produce good quality ammo for the 17 WSM, it would be a priceless package I would happily stand inline for.

 

[orkan]

Business end of the RimX bolt.

 

[orkan]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-7ONM4pL-X/

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-7ONM4pL-X/

Thanks for posting that link. can you elaborate more on the flat face breech setup, with no extractor cuts?

Lee

 

[linebaugh]

Will you be following up with any accuracy info, specifically at 100 yards if possible. I realize this is chamber and barrel specific more so than action.

Additionally do you feel the full size/weight of your rifle helps to mitigate the accuracy issues associated with inconsistent holds. The reason I ask is that I have always considered the 22lr to be very hold sensitive for POI shifting. If these rifles are to be used in PRS style rimfire events it would sure be nice to get rid of as much of the hold/poi problems as possible.

Thank you for any additional input.

 

[orkan]

Thanks for posting that link. can you elaborate more on the flat face breech setup, with no extractor cuts?

Lee

Essentially the "headspace" is set by the bolt nose, and you cut the tenon on the barrel to a well defined spec, and you end up with a headspace somewhere around 0.0455 + whatever tolerance the smith can hold. The xtraction/ejection system does not protrude into the barrel at any point.

Here's a tenon print, that might make things straighten out in your mind. Otherwise just ask and I'll try to explain things.

Will you be following up with any accuracy info, specifically at 100 yards if possible. I realize this is chamber and barrel specific more so than action.

Additionally do you feel the full size/weight of your rifle helps to mitigate the accuracy issues associated with inconsistent holds. The reason I ask is that I have always considered the 22lr to be very hold sensitive for POI shifting. If these rifles are to be used in PRS style rimfire events it would sure be nice to get rid of as much of the hold/poi problems as possible.

Thank you for any additional input.

Early Spring in South Dakota doesn't lend itself to long spells of nice weather. It's been blowing 30mph+ for three days. I fully intend to trot out the accuracy/precision potential of this new rifle, but I'll have to be patient and wait for one of those nice 60 degree days with lazy wind. They are just not too frequent where I live, and I don't yet have my 100yd indoor range completed.

The size/weight of this rifle was designed to mimic a full size PRS/NRL type rifle. When shooting in compromised positions, the weight and balance of a rifle most certainly helps in maintaining NPA through the recoil impulse. Despite the tiny recoil of the 22lr, the extended time the bullet is in the barrel due to the comparatively slow subsonic speed translates to NPA during recoil having an exaggerated importance. In regard to the technique in which the rifle is shot to achieve the best performance, I've found the heavier and more rigid the components, the more forgiving the rifle is regarding how it is addressed.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Essentially the "headspace" is set by the bolt nose, and you cut the tenon on the barrel to a well defined spec, and you end up with a headspace somewhere around 0.0455 + whatever tolerance the smith can hold. The xtraction/ejection system does not protrude into the barrel at any point.

Here's a tenon print, that might make things straighten out in your mind. Otherwise just ask and I'll try to explain things.

Early Spring in South Dakota doesn't lend itself to long spells of nice weather. It's been blowing 30mph+ for three days. I fully intend to trot out the accuracy/precision potential of this new rifle, but I'll have to be patient and wait for one of those nice 60 degree days with lazy wind. They are just not too frequent where I live, and I don't yet have my 100yd indoor range completed.

The size/weight of this rifle was designed to mimic a full size PRS/NRL type rifle. When shooting in compromised positions, the weight and balance of a rifle most certainly helps in maintaining NPA through the recoil impulse. Despite the tiny recoil of the 22lr, the extended time the bullet is in the barrel due to the comparatively slow subsonic speed translates to NPA during recoil having an exaggerated importance. In regard to the technique in which the rifle is shot to achieve the best performance, I've found the heavier and more rigid the components, the more forgiving the rifle is regarding how it is addressed.

Thanks for the print, much easier to see how it looks. all I could tell in the video was what looked like a barrel with a completely flat breech facing.

Lee

 

[orkan]

Thanks for the print, much easier to see how it looks. all I could tell in the video was what looked like a barrel with a completely flat breech facing.

Lee

You technically "could" have a totally flat breech face, but you'd eventually run into debris clearance problems. As the normal rimfire "goo" gets built up, you'd run into function issues. With the modified cone breech, you gain a lot of debris clearance with the rest of the bolt nose.

 

[USMCDOC]

i know that most folks focus on a "repeater" style action.. but i would love to see a single shot! For BR or for Prone!

 

[orkan]

The nature of the extractor makes single loading impossible. Rounds must come up from underneath. The extractor can not snap over.

 

[1Merlin]

The nature of the extractor makes single loading impossible. Rounds must come up from underneath. The extractor can not snap over.

Is that a good thing? How it that beneficial?