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Trigger Modification Ban has passed out of Committee

Papa Charlie

Papa Charlie

It will now go before the State House and State Senate for debate and vote. Time to write your legislators on this:

"Senate Bill 5992, sponsored by Senator Kevin Van De Wege (D-24), mirrors federal legislation proposed by anti-gun California U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). This bill would make it a crime to knowingly possess a firearm accessory or any other device, part or combination of parts that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semi-automatic firearm. The broad and overreaching provisions in SB 5992 could potentially criminalize firearm modifications such as competition triggers, muzzle brakes, and ergonomic changes that are commonly done by law-abiding gun owners to make their firearms more suitable for self-defense, competition, hunting, or even overcoming disability."

Use the link below to notify the law makers that you oppose this bill and any others gun control bills that only serve to restrict law abiding gun owners and accomplish nothing more.

https://act.nraila.org/default.aspx
 
Seems like it only amends existing regulations to include 'trigger modification devices' ŸŸ[As defined]
Summary of Bill:
A trigger modification device is defined as any part or combination of parts, designed or intended to accelerate the rate of
fire of a firearm, but does not convert the firearm into a machine gun, including:

any part, or combination of parts, designed or intended for use in modifying a firearm to use the recoil of the firearm to produce a rapid succession of trigger functions; or any part, or combination of parts, designed or intended for use in modifying a firearm
to produce multiple trigger functions through the use of an external mechanism.

Effective July 1, 2018,it is unlawful for any person to manufacture or sell any trigger modification device.
Effective July 1, 2019, it is unlawful for any person to manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan,furnish, transport, or have in their possession or control a trigger modification device or to assemble or repair any trigger modification device.
All trigger modification devices are declared to be contraband and may be seized by law enforcement whenever found.
Read it here: http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5992&Year=2017

After Vegas, you gotta know the nation is fairly united against the machine gun workarounds. They'll be pissed about 50cals & 'silencers' when mass murderers use them.
IMO, if the worst Dems come up with is this one thing, considering what else they could have dreamed up, then it seems irrational to oppose it.
CONCERNED is one thing, but being seen as irrational or wrong is not how we need to be seen w/resp to gun ownership.
 
The concern is that this kind of legislation is typically written by people who don't really understand how guns work, and if it tends to be overarching and 'unintentionally' catches other things, so much the better as far as they are concerned.

One example that comes to mind that I could see an overzealous legal system 'interpreting' not in our favor... a typical AR rifle has a trigger system that is slower than molasses in January (by bolt gun standards). Changing that out for an aftermarket trigger that doesn't have as much lock time, usually considered a Good Thing for those that shoot positional events. The intent, from our end, is not to have as much delay between pulling the trigger and the firing pin hitting the primer. From the view of the people writing legislation like this... it *could* make the gun shoot faster, therefore banned, contraband, jail time.

Same thing with match triggers for Glocks, etc. where the goal is to allow the trigger to reset faster/shorter than the factory unit. Now those would all be illegal. Maybe not in your eyes, but you're not the one interpreting/enforcing it. *They* are. Let something like this pass, and you'll be forever fighting it, guaranteed.

Just say "No".
 
milanuk said:
The concern is that this kind of legislation is typically written by people who don't really understand how guns work, and if it tends to be overarching and 'unintentionally' catches other things, so much the better as far as they are concerned.

One example that comes to mind that I could see an overzealous legal system 'interpreting' not in our favor... a typical AR rifle has a trigger system that is slower than molasses in January (by bolt gun standards). Changing that out for an aftermarket trigger that doesn't have as much lock time, usually considered a Good Thing for those that shoot positional events. The intent, from our end, is not to have as much delay between pulling the trigger and the firing pin hitting the primer. From the view of the people writing legislation like this... it *could* make the gun shoot faster, therefore banned, contraband, jail time.

Same thing with match triggers for Glocks, etc. where the goal is to allow the trigger to reset faster/shorter than the factory unit. Now those would all be illegal. Maybe not in your eyes, but you're not the one interpreting/enforcing it. *They* are. Let something like this pass, and you'll be forever fighting it, guaranteed.

Just say "No".
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Not sure any of them know how anything works. Balancing a check book seems to be a major problem....
 
This is going to pass easily. If not in the legislature, it'll come back as an initiative and then pass.
The way I see it going in the future is that once this passes, it'll be far easier to simply extend the definition of a 'Trigger modification device' to include:

"(c) Any part, or combination of parts, designed or intended for use in modifying a firearm to produce a trigger function that changes the firearm manufacturer's original trigger weight or results in making a firearm unsafe"

And lo... all the imaginable trigger modifications can be covered within this one sentence.

One step at a time...
 
Since I live in a state (Idaho) which does not believe the 2Am is subject to interpretation or revision by a state; can someone who lives in Kalifornia explain how they believe they can get around the part where it says "shall not be infringed..." legally?

I have a complete set of "The New International Encyclopedia" printed in 1904 by Dodd, Mead and Company sitting here on my desk. It says, under the heading of Infringement, legal definition: from Latin infringere, to break from in+frangere, to break; connected with Goth, brikan. In its most general (read legal) sense, any violation of a law or invasion of a legal right which gives rise to a cause of action, in law or equity, in favor of the person injured thereby...

It would seem, that any attempt by any level of government other than at the Federal level to infringe on the Second Amendment is patently illegal.

Why doesn't anybody in Kali sue to overturn all the infringement (read limiting) laws?

just curious...

Rich
 
I see this as complete idiots trying to make a law that sounds good.
A trigger has nothing to do with the rate of fire. A lighter trigger with less travel may let the shooter fire it faster but mechanically the firing rate is limited by bolt speed. Changing Springs, changing weight of bolt or buffers, changing port size or gas flow could result
In raising the rate of fire tho.
They are just grasping for straws.
 
nonnieselman said:
I see this as complete idiots trying to make a law that sounds good.
A trigger has nothing to do with the rate of fire. A lighter trigger with less travel may let the shooter fire it faster but mechanically the firing rate is limited by bolt speed. Changing Springs, changing weight of bolt or buffers, changing port size or gas flow could result
In raising the rate of fire tho.
They are just grasping for straws.
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Actually it is the trigger that does control the rate of fire, with all the M-series battle rifles. the M1, M1 Carbine, M14, M16 and M4's all use the same design triggers. Some M16's used to have 3 rd burst features. What they are after is those triggers that are constantly advertised here ,available from Brownells. It's a pull/ release trigger all in one unit.

They will probably do the same thing like they did with the drop in Auto Sears, which turned an AR into a full auto. Those auto sears that got through the FOPA 86 will bring upwards of 25,000.00

A lot of people think the "Binary Trigger", as it's called, belongs in the same dumpster with the bump stocks.
 
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Like all of these laws they are subject to change once passed add on are also passed at the tail end of the bill.
It's a tricky way to pass more laws and reduce your freedoms IT will in essence effect the machine gun matches the most in present form.
Later we will get surprises from ATF
 
In all due respect sir, please re-read your statement. My take on your post, which still appears unedited at 9:46am CST as I type this, is exactly what was so troubling to me. Those were your exact words, not mine. I admit my computer skills are severely lacking, but I am able to copy and paste.

Sir, you sell triggers, you of all people should be terrified of the language and potential scope of this bill! Just because Donald J. Trump is POTUS does NOT mean we all get to sit back and enjoy the ride! If that were the case, this discussion would not be happening.

Best,

smoooth
 
I'll say this again and again, binary triggers and bump stocks were approved during an anti gun administration. Gun owners and manufacturers alike seem to thrive on instant gratification.
My opinion on this is irrelevant, but loopholes are available for custom triggers, actions can be sold with diff models, needed to make it work right, AR lowers may need the same, God help the guy that needed mil spec, blah blah blah.
 
spife7980 said:
Following the link in the OP: Washington, its down on the bottom of the page in the middle.

https://act.nraila.org/takeaction.aspx?AlertID=1839
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We, in WA, are screwed after the last by-election where the Democrats now own everything West of the the Cascades. The WA Dems are fired up to beat CA in anti-2nd Amend legislation. Those clueless idiots want to register magazines over 10 rounds!

The NRA will not help because other then renting politicians they are helpless. They have abandoned gun owners on the Pacific Coast.
 
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