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Top Tier Varmint/Target scope recommendations

Darn-it guys! I might have to buy one of each...one with a "clean" reticle that I either use Ky-windage or dial the turrets in, and another with a fancy Christmas tree reticle.

And yeah, I'm going to put a big emphasis on good glass, so I appreciate all the input in that regard as well! I might even get carried away and up the ante...
 
I tried the Leupold VX3-LRP 6.5-20 with the CCH reticle in the FFP. Love it for prairie dog shooting. The hold over lines and dots are close enough you don't have to guess. It was awesome not having to dial. If I missed at long range it was easy to correct and shoot again using the reticle. The CCH reticle is perfect. This scope is discontinued but you can still get this reticle in the Mark5HD. I also have sightrons with the moa-2 reticle that work very well for close work but not having the christmas tree windage marks kinda sucks at longer ranges when holding off for wind without reference points. I have sold all my fine crosshair scopes I previously used for prairie dog shooting.
I like this reticle! With holdver lines/dots at every 1/2 Mil, it's a lot more practical (for my use) than the typical reticle at every 1 Mil. I suppose there are other scopes with holdover every 2 MOA, which would be nearly as "fine"...
 
You don't say which chambering(s) these are for. But, you're also making this far more complicated than it is. Like you, I don't like how cluttered most reticles are now. They may be wonderful for target competition application, but most of them are far too busy and of no use for shooting small varmints that dig....pd's and sage rats. I like a simple fine crosshair /dot, fine duplex, or something with fine crosshatches and not a whole lot of them. Same with 2nd focal plane, at your distances a FFP scope is unnecessary. When you're shooting these things, as you know from sage rat experience, they can be at all different ranges from one shot to the next, and in different directions. Fooling with elevation / windage dials is pointless. At your distances, just zero at, say, 200, and don't worry about dialing elevation or windage. Know the trajectory of your gun and 300 or 400 yds or so holdover / holdoff is easy. And a variable that goes down to 6 at the low end works a lot better than one that begins at 12 or so. Find a small target out there through binoc is one thing, then finding it again in the scope at 12x can be tricky. Good glass is really nice but for your purposes you don't need a $1000 - $2000 scope. On Youtube the best scope test evaluations I've seen are by a guy called Cyclops who's done lots and lots of them. Go on there a check out what he has to say. Very interesting, easy to google.
 
I do a fair amount of p-dog shooting at my neighbors ranch. It's a job for him to clear out fields. Really liked my Sightron, great glass, not so great Reticle. Shot them with Schmidts. Niteforce, Razors all ffp. My current dog set up is believe it or not, an AR 15 with an ARCA Plate on a Tripod, with a nx8 on it 32 mag ffp. Like the Reticle, eybox is a little tight. I use it at 24 to 28. most of the time. I do dial some but often times, I'm doing a hold over for his buddy in front or behind him. I like ffp, but that's me.
Usually have someone else on glass, so that helps. We usually do 5 shots then switch. You can cook a barrel good and quick on a good day. I like a finer Reticle with 1 MOA hash marks for holds. A Christmas tree is nice for wind holds.
 
If you are a vet you can get a Vortex GE. 10-60 x 52 for a little more than 1100... Excellent scope for the money right from Vortex..... jim
 
You don't say which chambering(s) these are for. But, you're also making this far more complicated than it is. Like you, I don't like how cluttered most reticles are now. They may be wonderful for target competition application, but most of them are far too busy and of no use for shooting small varmints that dig....pd's and sage rats. I like a simple fine crosshair /dot, fine duplex, or something with fine crosshatches and not a whole lot of them. Same with 2nd focal plane, at your distances a FFP scope is unnecessary. When you're shooting these things, as you know from sage rat experience, they can be at all different ranges from one shot to the next, and in different directions. Fooling with elevation / windage dials is pointless. At your distances, just zero at, say, 200, and don't worry about dialing elevation or windage. Know the trajectory of your gun and 300 or 400 yds or so holdover / holdoff is easy. And a variable that goes down to 6 at the low end works a lot better than one that begins at 12 or so. Find a small target out there through binoc is one thing, then finding it again in the scope at 12x can be tricky. Good glass is really nice but for your purposes you don't need a $1000 - $2000 scope. On Youtube the best scope test evaluations I've seen are by a guy called Cyclops who's done lots and lots of them. Go on there a check out what he has to say. Very interesting, easy to google.
Well said Ackman! I say that, because I had gone out yesterday for a sage rat excursion, and came to the same conclusions! I guess I was just thinking I was missing the boat with these modern tactical scopes and reticles, and I've only gone on one P-Dog trip many years ago...I know they are typically shot at farther range than Sage Rats; nevertheless, I concur, I do not think I want the clutter.
A) I had already been watching a lot of the Cyclops reviews, thank you!
B) I think you're right about the cluttered reticle...I shot a couple different set-ups yesterday, one with fine crosshair and 1/8" dot, and one with heavier duplex and hash marks...even that little bit of "clutter" made the picture less-desirable.
C) My current scopes are 6-20. A couple times, I found myself wishing for 4x for scanning (or acquiring after I located with Binoculars).
*Still, I'm gonna try and locate some really nice glass to see how much my eyes appreciate such. Aiming for $1,500.
 
Well said Ackman! I say that, because I had gone out yesterday for a sage rat excursion, and came to the same conclusions! I guess I was just thinking I was missing the boat with these modern tactical scopes and reticles, and I've only gone on one P-Dog trip many years ago...I know they are typically shot at farther range than Sage Rats; nevertheless, I concur, I do not think I want the clutter.
A) I had already been watching a lot of the Cyclops reviews, thank you!
B) I think you're right about the cluttered reticle...I shot a couple different set-ups yesterday, one with fine crosshair and 1/8" dot, and one with heavier duplex and hash marks...even that little bit of "clutter" made the picture less-desirable.
C) My current scopes are 6-20. A couple times, I found myself wishing for 4x for scanning (or acquiring after I located with Binoculars).
*Still, I'm gonna try and locate some really nice glass to see how much my eyes appreciate such. Aiming for $1,500.

Look at a March 5-50x56 then you would have it all.... jim
 
Well, for $1,200 you can get a smoker great scope. Get the Zeiss Conquest V4 6-24x50 model, with the new ZMOAi-T20 reticle, large engraving, Ballistic Stop, locking windage, 30 mm main tube, super-bright image, and just over 80 moa of elevation travel. Don't look back, and simply enjoy it. This would be the ideal, if not perfect, varmint scope. I doubt there is a better option out there for $1,200.00
 
Well, for $1,200 you can get a smoker great scope. Get the Zeiss Conquest V4 6-24x50 model, with the new ZMOAi-T20 reticle, large engraving, Ballistic Stop, locking windage, 30 mm main tube, super-bright image, and just over 80 moa of elevation travel. Don't look back, and simply enjoy it. This would be the ideal, if not perfect, varmint scope. I doubt there is a better option out there for $1,200.00
Ha. Well, I did in fact get the Zeiss Conquest V4 (arrived about 10 days ago, so it was before you gave this recommendation)...but the basic ZMOA-1 reticle, as I'm fairly sure I dont want a busy reticle. And i got it on a very nice sale. Seems very nice, though I'm not blown away. Still reserving judgment, as I haven't given it any varmint/field testing yet, but the crosshair was a little thicker than I'm used to so it was covering up the little "benchrest" circle tartes I typically shoot at, s that was a little frustrating. And I guess maybe the glass is 2% better than that of my Grand Slam...hard to tell (those Weaver Grand slams were the bargain of the century). And my only real complaint is how tight the zoom ring is...I have a throw lever on the way, but when field shooting, on mini belding ground squirrels anyway... I zoom out to locate target, then zoom in to shoot...thus doing that 150-300x/day! So I didn't realize how nice it was that an infant could turn the power ring on the Weaver with 2 fingers. For the sage rats/squirrels, I'm not sure I'll find a better scope than what I have...but now that I'm going to be adding several prairie dog trips to mix, I need to find a scope better suited to longer range work, and thus find a balance/compromise between the two. Oh, and I'm gonna want to put some markings on the side focus ring...I missed not having that immediately.

Overall, I'm giving this scope an 8 for my needs right now, to be updated later.
 
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And I have an Element Nexus on the way! Well see how I like the FFP. And, by some accounts,
"top tier" glass for less than top-tier price.

But I'm not done, I'm going to build up another custom rifle now...so I'm back on the hunt for yet anther scope.

More and more, I really think I want fine crosshair...or even better, fine crosshair dot, for reticle. Likely I lean towards SFP too, as I don't have "tactical" needs. I plan to use turrets for elevation (hence my looking to get away from Weaver Grand Slam, otherwise they would be near perfect), and then hold off (or turrets in more extreme circumstances) for windage.

All this brings me to March and Sightron as leading candidates. Are there others I should consider? The price point of Sightron 8-32 is nice, but I would perfect something that starts at 5x or 6x...
 
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Look at a March 5-50x56 then you would have it all.... jim
Well, yeah, I had kiinda come to this scope on my own, so coming back to this forum and reading this post probably puts this scope in pole position! Maybe then the self-proclaimed "scope snob who posted a while back will be happy, lol. March is considered top tier, is it not?

Edit...looks like it would run about $3,000. Not sure if street price is different, but I sure hope this qualifies as Top tier, lol. I could swing the cost, but sure do wish I could see/touch one first. I live in the middle of nowhere now, so that's not likely to happen....gonna have to go with trusty 'ol internet and forum research, lol.

But gosh, it seems to tick all the boxes for me, as I can order up just about any type of reticle I want (winner would be fine crosshair dot at the moment). And I love 1/8 MOA clicks on the turret (I hate being in between on 1/4" clicks when sighting in). And who wouldn't love 10x zoom and great glass. I guess there isn't anything not to love (except price maybe).
 
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I like the Sightron stac moa2, I dial for distance only use the "windage hash" for drift. Works very well on prairie dogs and load work, I can trust the turrets.
 
The self-proclaimed scope snob? THat would be me. Yes, March is definitely in top tier glass.

Actually the March-X 5-50X56 is my first March scope and I've had mine for about 8 years now. It spent 7 years on my F-TR match rifle and it was solid. I replaced it on that rifle with a March-X 10-60X56 HM. The 5-50X56 is going on another rifle.

I favor the MTR-2 and MTR-5 etched reticles. I bought my 5-50X56 with the MTR-2. Six years later, my eyes had aged to the point I was no longer able to see the fine MTR-2 reticle. I sent the scope back to March and they replaced the MTR-2 with the MTR-5 reticle. Same one, just twice the thickness. Then a year later, I got the 10-60X56 HM, also with the MTR-5 reticle.

Be aware that if you get the 5-50X56 with the simple crosshair, dot or diplex reticle, I do not believe those are etched, so if in the future you want to swap out the reticle, it may not be possible to put in an etched reticle. I would suggest looking also at the MTR-1 and MTR-FT reticles as alternatives to the dot or crosshair. Just some thoughts.
 
All this brings me to March and Sightron as leading candidates. Are there others I should consider? The price point of Sightron 8-32 is nice, but I would perfect something that starts at 5x or 6x...

My advice is, once you buy all these scopes, don't ever look at p-dogs thru a 5-25 ATACR with an MOAR-T reticle! :)

I love 40-50x for targets but I would have zero use for 50x shooting p-dogs or any other critters. I never even use 25x unless I am watching wildlife or something with it in between dogs.

To me the ONLY reason for a dot is bad light where you lose the reticle. I shoot a lot of pd-dogs every year but never in light so low that I have trouble seeing my very fine MOAR-T reticle. If it isn't light out, the dogs don't come out! And, if I ever was in a low-light situation the ATACR's have a great illumination system.

I have gotten 5-25 ATACR's (Enhanced model and original -- used) for a couple of thousand bucks. I look thru Sightrons, March, S&B, Leupold, etc., at the range but never, ever wish I had something other than what I have for p-dogs. The glass, the reticle, the controls -- they are just exquisite.
 
Okay, I feel like I'm getting
The self-proclaimed scope snob? THat would be me. Yes, March is definitely in top tier glass.

Actually the March-X 5-50X56 is my first March scope and I've had mine for about 8 years now. It spent 7 years on my F-TR match rifle and it was solid. I replaced it on that rifle with a March-X 10-60X56 HM. The 5-50X56 is going on another rifle.

I favor the MTR-2 and MTR-5 etched reticles. I bought my 5-50X56 with the MTR-2. Six years later, my eyes had aged to the point I was no longer able to see the fine MTR-2 reticle. I sent the scope back to March and they replaced the MTR-2 with the MTR-5 reticle. Same one, just twice the thickness. Then a year later, I got the 10-60X56 HM, also with the MTR-5 reticle.

Be aware that if you get the 5-50X56 with the simple crosshair, dot or diplex reticle, I do not believe those are etched, so if in the future you want to swap out the reticle, it may not be possible to put in an etched reticle. I would suggest looking also at the MTR-1 and MTR-FT reticles as alternatives to the dot or crosshair. Just some thoughts.

I will check out those reticles! Thank you!
 

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