Too many midrange cleans!

[Jennb]

I'll pour some gas on the fire!

No, the targets should not be changed.

However, I've often said, the % for M and HM should not be the same for FTR and Open. Unless FTR can shoot F Open weight and caliber other than .223/.308.

The percentage just makes achieving it with an FTR rifle sweeter than you can imagine!

 

[Dave M.]

Is it time to half the size of the midrange f class target? Or would it be better to limit midrange to a 120 grain bullet? Thoughts

I would think the vast majority of 600 yard winners are already doing so with sub 120gr bullets. Jerry, I think you and I shot in the rain in a 1000 yard competition in the pouring rain in TN at the AEDC, right?
I think it’s really tough to beat a 6 dasher at 600 yards, unless the wind is really whipping.
Dave M

 

[Dave M.]

I don't shoot Fclass but a saw a video of a 600 yard match. Noticed they allow coaching and other people helping and telling them were to aim also some had the guns on recoil rails which seems like cheating. Do they allow remote triggers too?

If you want more of a challenge get rid of all that stuff and let just the shooters shoot and call their own wind with no headsets telling him anything.

I thought if they tied they used the zero point Xs (true bullseyes) to pick a winner.

Are you saying there is like 50 round sudden death shoot offs all the time? I can see if people run out of ammo it cold be a problem.

Is a 60 out of 60 like a 300 in bowling? rare but it happens?

Absolutely no coaching is allowed at sanctioned matches. Rail guns are a completely different class of guns.

 

[Dave M.]

It was 2020 Midrange F-Class Team National Championship

Look at how the gun recoils straight-back like its on a rail. Some high tech front rest system.

But even in this one they had a winner I don't think there were ties.

It could be where people want more misses maybe everyone is getting near perfect and harder to break away from the pack. Like if everyone bowling rolls 280+ every time.

I guess going to open sights would be a way I thought F-class was sort of a handicap division to begin with. Some guy named Farky invented it so he could keep compeating, like senior golf tour.

F-Class was named after the founder of this type of shooting: George “Farky” Farquharson of Canada. As he aged, his eyesight and unsteady muscles started giving out. He wanted to find a way to continue shooting with his longtime competition friends. So, he petitioned the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association (DCRA) to allow him to replace his iron sight with a telescopic one, and use something to rest his rifle on, rather than try to hold it still with a sling. Luckily, the DCRA granted his request.

Farky added a bipod to his rifle and a rear sand bag to rest the butt on, and from those modest beginnings, F-Class was born.

Yep….that is called a nicely tracking rifle on a well set up front rest and rear bag. No rails.

 

[Dave M.]

You must be a recruiter for the sport, way to roll out the welcome mat.

BobbyJ, where are located? I’d suggest you hook up with a member and go to their next match. There will tons of great people willing to answer your questions and clear up any misconceptions you may have regarding F class shooting. I guarantee you that if you post your location, someone will offer for you to come view their match.
Dave

 

[Rochelle Jerry]

I would think the vast majority of 600 yard winners are already doing so with sub 120gr bullets. Jerry, I think you and I shot in the rain in a 1000 yard competition in the pouring rain in TN at the AEDC, right?
I think it’s really tough to beat a 6 dasher at 600 yards, unless the wind is really whipping.
Dave M

Yes @ AEDC….. pouring rain indeed! Still fun

 

[F-CLassInfo]

Dang. 7 pages!!!! Hahaha

 

[Warren Dean]

Dang. 7 pages!!!! Hahaha

Hard to believe, no?

 

[F-CLassInfo]

Hard to believe, no?

No. Thought it would be 15 by now

 

[Hengehold]

Is it time to half the size of the midrange f class target? Or would it be better to limit midrange to a 120 grain bullet? Thoughts

First I think we need to identify what problem we are trying to fix. Match winners can still be identified if several shooters are shooting clean strings throughout a 600agg. I don’t believe that changing the values of the scoring rings will change the results of the match winners.

A weight limit on bullets would need to be caliber specific. Shooting a 120gr in 308 win at 600yds would be a bit ridiculous.

I think the typical range conditions contribute greatly to the trending of scores. For example, in my experience the ranges east of the Mississippi tend to be a bit calm and conducive to high scores compared to ranges in the western states.

Traveling for matches can help to break the monotony of shooting on an easy range.

-Trevor Hengehold

 

[jnyfeler]

The percentage just makes achieving it with an FTR rifle sweeter than you can imagine!

Yep. Like making HM with a Service Rifle in across the course High Power.

Jeff

 

[Stumpy1]

and like making High Master in Long Range with a Palma rifle -in .223

Frank

 

[USMCDOC]

Rather than one shooter having an entire 'block' of time to fire a 'string', while another shooter sits by and scores (normal NRA High Power Rifle format in the USA, aka 'string fire'), both shooters set up side by side on the firing point, and exchange score cards.

Traditionally the shooter on the right goes first. Fires the shot, and when it comes up (electronically or otherwise), the shooter on the left will call out the score "First sighter is a 10". The first shooter acknowledges the score, or challenges if there is a discrepancy. Assuming the score is accepted, from that point it's now the turn of the shooter on the left: they have 45 seconds to fire their shot. Back and forth, until all shots have been fired.

There are only ever two sighters (though there may be a 'blow off' period before the first relay of the day for shooters to foul their barrels), and they are convertible. After a shooter fires their second sighter round and the score is shown, they may 'convert' either the second or both sighters to record shots. Example: if you fire a 9 and an X, you can convert the second shot (X) and that becomes your first record shot. But if you shoot an X and a 9, you can't keep the X without also taking the 9 with it. Or you can convert neither, and proceed onwards. And yes, there have been times where the conditions were bad enough where I've seen people take 9's for sighters and convert them - because it was that *was* the calm condition.

If a shooter continually takes more than the allotted time, the other competitor can call the range officer who will start timing the shots. Excessive time can result in a warning, then potentially docked points.

You can't wait out the bad conditions, you can't run the good ones, you shoot the condition you get - good, bad or otherwise. And you can't chase the spotter, as the spotter you see is from the *other* shooter's last shot, not yours. It gets really entertaining when they throw a third person on a firing point, to handle an odd number of shooters.

Generally speaking, barrels stay a little cooler, and last longer. It becomes a wind calling game again. If the conditions are just completely dead, you can still see crazy high scores. Had one string @ the 2017 FCWC where I shot a 75-12X @ 700 meters - which didn't win much other than an 8-way tie for 4th place

shooting on the mount is fun...

 

[XTR]

@Tarmacshooter regarding Camp Perry and F class. I don't know if you ever got your comments addressed completely.

In 2012 the America Match was held in conjunction with the US National matches at Camp Perry. The America Match is an international match, the Canadian's were attending and bringing their F class team. The US National Matches at Camp Perry does not include F class, so in order to have a match for the F class shooters to shoot other than just the America Match team match an F class regional called the "Great Lakes Regional" match was held along side the US National Matches using the same format as the National Matches including a shootoff for the top shooters in each relay to decide match winners.

It was fairly well attended in '12 because of the America match and the participation of the US and Canadian teams.

In '13 the F class mid range national championship was added in the days before the regional. All in all the attendance was bad, because the match was held the week before the FCNC/FCWC at Raton, NM. (not to mention that in general F Class shooters didn't/don't like the format of the long range at Perry)

In '14 the Great Lakes Regional long range and Mid Range NC were held for the last time at Perry. The participation in the Mid Range at Rodriguez was pretty good; however, there were barely enough F class shooters to put someone on each relay in the regional. For teams I worked with a Marine and grabbed anyone we could find in the parking lot who was willing to cobble together 2 F-TR teams (including a Brit sling shooter) The shooters on my team all shot my rifles, fortunately I had two.

After '14 the NRA sent the MR championship out to be held in conjunction with the FCNC and ended the Great Lakes Regional.


edit: I've also heard that the America Match was actually the impetus for the NRA incorporation of F class rules in the first place, once again, the match was scheduled and the Canadian's wanted to shoot F class, and in order to do so the NRA needed a ruleset. I wasn't playing the game yet at that point, maybe @Lbart can confirm or deny this one. He was there.

 

[Heman]

If you are shooting on electronic just switch the targets over to a decimal target. We made some up for our old SMT system. So instead of 10 and X's you had 10.1, 10.5, 10.9, along with all the other rings. 10 ring was 10.0 to 10.4, X ring was 10.5 to 10.9. All the other rings were from value.0 to value.9. Definitely no perfect scores anymore. Also favors the guys who hold center. Never did it officially but would rescore some matches just to see how it would have changed things.