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Too many midrange cleans!

Just to reference the comments about extending fire beyond 20 shots if you remain shooting all X. Those bonus X’s if you will count only towards that match. I don’t see in the rules anything If at some point more than 1 shooter shooting 600-60x if at that point the bonus X would count. As written it seems it would end with shooters tied at 600-60x as the wording is the current rules are written.

The only cumulative 60 shot record posted is for 600 yards. Not sure why 1000 at a minimum should also be tracked. And maybe 300 and 500 yard records..?

The record for 600 yards is currently 600-54x by Shawn Broussard.

And 200-20 with 3 bonus X by Jim Fowler.

There have been many many many rounds fired and still do not know of a cumulative match or 20 shot match that couldn’t be resolved by current target and current scoring.

Maybe perhaps the rules to include a cumulative scoring if someone every fires 3 matches with 20x or more… then the bonus X would count as tie breaker.

Example shooter 1 shooter
200-20 plus 3 bonus X
200-20 plus 1 bonus x
200-20 plus no bonus x
Shooter 1 600-60x with 4 bonus X

So cumulative

Example shooter 2 shooter
200-20 plus 3 bonus X
200-20 plus 1 bonus x
200-20 plus 2 bonus x

Shooter 2 would have 600-60x with 5 bonus

So shooter 2 would win. This would be the only rule update to resolve overall win.
Regarding the Tie of so happened match 1 and match 2 would need some sort of tie breaker as that also has no resolve to determine winner. So that is another possible issue to determine who wins gold for that match. Maybe shot per shot shootoff ?
 
Well, smart-ass, I don't have any. The term "my world" refers to the competitive F Class world that I shoot in.

Why would you ask such a question unless you are just being a Richard Cranium?
The latter. In all fairness, we are all talking about Fclass. Ive never witnessed a 200.20x at LR or MR, let alone a 600.60x.

Further X’s only count in instances of ties. 600’s are a rare thing. If your range produces a lot of 600’s. Time to shoot elsewhere because it’s a range that is conducive to trigger pulling contests.
 
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If you shoot 20x - you keep shooting until you drop one.

1. Only at Registered matches, where you can actually set a record. Otherwise you're just wasting ammo

2. Every string? How far do you go? Do you use them up on the first string of the day, when the conditions are likely better, or do you save them for the last string when you may actually need them" How many extra rounds *do* you bring? Etc. and so on.

In theory, this supposedly the situation they were encountering back in the early days of F-class, hence the smaller centers.

My solution would be make more matches pair-fire .
 
How does a Pair Fire work ?

Rather than one shooter having an entire 'block' of time to fire a 'string', while another shooter sits by and scores (normal NRA High Power Rifle format in the USA, aka 'string fire'), both shooters set up side by side on the firing point, and exchange score cards.

Traditionally the shooter on the right goes first. Fires the shot, and when it comes up (electronically or otherwise), the shooter on the left will call out the score "First sighter is a 10". The first shooter acknowledges the score, or challenges if there is a discrepancy. Assuming the score is accepted, from that point it's now the turn of the shooter on the left: they have 45 seconds to fire their shot. Back and forth, until all shots have been fired.

There are only ever two sighters (though there may be a 'blow off' period before the first relay of the day for shooters to foul their barrels), and they are convertible. After a shooter fires their second sighter round and the score is shown, they may 'convert' either the second or both sighters to record shots. Example: if you fire a 9 and an X, you can convert the second shot (X) and that becomes your first record shot. But if you shoot an X and a 9, you can't keep the X without also taking the 9 with it. Or you can convert neither, and proceed onwards. And yes, there have been times where the conditions were bad enough where I've seen people take 9's for sighters and convert them - because it was that *was* the calm condition.

If a shooter continually takes more than the allotted time, the other competitor can call the range officer who will start timing the shots. Excessive time can result in a warning, then potentially docked points.

You can't wait out the bad conditions, you can't run the good ones, you shoot the condition you get - good, bad or otherwise. And you can't chase the spotter, as the spotter you see is from the *other* shooter's last shot, not yours. It gets really entertaining when they throw a third person on a firing point, to handle an odd number of shooters.

Generally speaking, barrels stay a little cooler, and last longer. It becomes a wind calling game again. If the conditions are just completely dead, you can still see crazy high scores. Had one string @ the 2017 FCWC where I shot a 75-12X @ 700 meters - which didn't win much other than an 8-way tie for 4th place ;)
 
Is it time to half the size of the midrange f class target? Or would it be better to limit midrange to a 120 grain bullet? Thoughts
I don't shoot Fclass but a saw a video of a 600 yard match. Noticed they allow coaching and other people helping and telling them were to aim also some had the guns on recoil rails which seems like cheating. Do they allow remote triggers too?

If you want more of a challenge get rid of all that stuff and let just the shooters shoot and call their own wind with no headsets telling him anything.

I thought if they tied they used the zero point Xs (true bullseyes) to pick a winner.

Are you saying there is like 50 round sudden death shoot offs all the time? I can see if people run out of ammo it cold be a problem.

Is a 60 out of 60 like a 300 in bowling? rare but it happens?
 
I don't shoot Fclass but a saw a video of a 600 yard match. Noticed they allow coaching and other people helping and telling them were to aim also some had the guns on recoil rails which seems like cheating. Do they allow remote triggers too?

If you want more of a challenge get rid of all that stuff and let just the shooters shoot and call their own wind with no headsets telling him anything.

I thought if they tied they used the zero point Xs (true bullseyes) to pick a winner.

Are you saying there is like 50 round sudden death shoot offs all the time? I can see if people run out of ammo it cold be a problem.

Is a 60 out of 60 like a 300 in bowling? rare but it happens?

That sounds like a friendly local match.

Like others have said, "too many cleans" isn't really a problem.
 

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