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Toasted Barrel at 750 Rounds

Stan Taylor said:
No pun intended that barrel is filthy.
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And like I said I scrubbed the hell out of it for over half an hour last week. I clean after every twenty rounds or so with wet and dry patches and and every 50 or so I have been using a nylon patch. I have spent more time cleaning than shooting. And yes, I hand wash my car and truck when the weather is good. I figured I would get flamed. I have been getting the 6 and 12 o'clock flyers. I have read here several times where that is a sign the barrel is on it way out.
 
Frank Blum said:
And like I said I scrubbed the hell out of it for over half an hour last week. I clean after every twenty rounds or so with wet and dry patches and and every 50 or so I have been using a nylon patch. I have spent more time cleaning than shooting. And yes, I hand wash my car and truck when the weather is good. I figured I would get flamed. I have been getting the 6 and 12 o'clock flyers. I have read here several times where that is a sign the barrel is on it way out.
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I dont think its toast just yet. Last time you cleaned it did you look at it with the borescope? You may want to consider a cleaner powder and run it hotter. That could be a light load along with just a dirty barrel.
 
Well I feel like a dump ass now. That is what I get for taking for granted I can clean all stainless barrels the same. If all it needs is cleaning I should be able to sell it.
 
Dusty Stevens said:
I dont think its toast just yet. Last time you cleaned it did you look at it with the borescope? You may want to consider a cleaner powder and run it hotter. That could be a light load along with just a dirty barrel.
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Dusty, the majority of those rounds was 107 SMKs over 30.2 grains of Varget. The rest were mostly 29.7 of H4895 and a very few 30 grains of #15. Used 450s with all the loads.
 
I'm somewhat confused. Are those pics after you cleaned it? Or after firing?


Did you scope it after cleaning? Was it down to bare metal? How many shots?



I'm far from a pro. But all I see is a bore that is pretty fouled.
 
Evidently just running wet and dry patches thought it every 20 rounds or so was not near good enough for this barrel. I promise to do better on my new barrel. ;)
 
Frank Blum said:
If all it needs is cleaning I should be able to sell it.
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interesting marketing technique.... some major reverse psychology there. a challenge... throw down the gauntlet and all that.

seriously though, i shoot a lot of savage barrels and feel your pain. i have tried nylon bushes on those barrels and they have done very little good. i was always amazed the guys at the range with custom bbls that would patch out and proclaim "i'm good let's put 'er away". i could see from the smooth rounded edges and voids on the carbon in the original pic that it had been cleaned, just not agressively enough.

matter of fact i am dealing right now with a factory .204 and trying cfe223 to keep the copper out... but the carbon sludge is stupidly ridiculus... i only wish my tooling marks were ironed out as well as yours...

good luck.
 
Frank,

I had a very recent and similar problem with a 0.308 Krieger 30 inch palma barrel with 600 rounds down the tube. The bore looked similar to the third pic in your first post, lots of carbon, in fact it was worse in some sections with black streaks in the grooves. My regular regime has been Boretech C4 on a bronze brush followed by their Cu2 and 10 minutes of soak time and a patch out. I'll admit that I had not cleaned the barrel for the last 150 rounds or so but the carbon build up was bad. Anyway, brass brushing and some JB still did not clean it up. Tried other solvents and more brushing, no real change.

One thing I had never tried is Ed's Red so I mixed up a batch, sealed the chamber with a Sinclair chamber plug and filled the bore and taped over the muzzle. Let it soak for 5 days then drained the bore and gave it 20 stokes with a bronze brush followed by patches. The patches picked up a grey slurry, not a lot but enough to indicate something was happening. The bore looked better (Teslong bore scope) but still a ways to go. The barrel is now back in the safe for another week and the bore is full of Ed's Red having a further soak. Whilst researching how to fix this problem I came across a post on this site where the soaking took 3-4 weeks with scrubbing at the end of each week. Got the results though.

If you want to give it a try and need the mix, just do a search for Ed's Red.


Martin
 
I managed to "toast" one about forty years ago shooting ground squirrels. In my defense, it was a Ruger 77V 220 Swift. In central and northern Idaho there used to be a lot of small logging outfits, usually one family operations. They called them "Gyppo Loggers". They would bid on small acreages of timber that the big outfits would not bid on. Standard practice was to clear cut the timber about 18 inches off the ground and leave the stumps. Over the years, the stumps would rot, and ground squirrels would nest in or under them. Grass would grow about that height. Squirrels would grab a mouthful of grass, and climb the stump to eat. It also let them keep an eye out for eagles and hawks that considered them a delicacy.

They made great targets from 300 or more yards away. I had a 6-24 TASCO AO scope mounted on the Swift, easy pickins'. I would shoot about 30 rounds, then clean and reload the fired brass. Primitive wasn't the word, I was using a Lyman Tong Tool. About 120 rounds, and my cousin and I would go back to his Grandparents log house, eat, and split and stack timber for the stove for a couple hours. It gets cold in the winters in Weippe, Id, and 25 cords was just about enough. Afternoon, we went back and shot about 120 more rounds. Two days, and the barrel looked like alligator hide for about 6" in front of the chamber. Absolute toast! I sent it back to Ruger, and they fit a new barrel. Charged me the princely sum of $60, including return shipping. Those were the days...
 
Personally, with my Savages, i clean the heck out of it for carbon, but leave the copper in them.

Then again, all but one are sporter barrels. :oops:

I might be interested in buying it.. ;)
 
I am not anywhere in the league of you guys who do soooo much shooting, and you have so much more experience with the various different barrels after cleaning then I do. But, I have an old Hawkeye scope and own & fired enough custom barrels (and also factory barrels) to know that I don't like what the OP is showing and telling us. That barrel chatter is ugly as hell, and I have only seen half of that much noise inside of a cheap Marlin 22Mag and a DPMS Panther barrel. The both barrels fired accurate enough, and in fact the Marlin 22mag heavy stainless varmint barrel was shooting 5 shot .175 groups at 50 yards. (yea, I was reloading that 22Mag barrel with Sierra 45 Hornets with that glass bedded stock to get that accuracy) If I were the OP, I'd have been disgusted enough at this point already that I'd be happy to just divorce myself of that thing and start fresh with a new quality lathed barrel. Mr Blum, I can understand why you're ready to throw the towel in on this one. Do what makes you happy.
 
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mike a said:
I'd use Isso on a wet patch with a jag and elbow grease. Or Hydroxychloroquine. What do you have to lose? Mike
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Yep looks like a job for losso. Bet there is a carbon ring in the throat too!

Parker hale.jag with a patch soaked.in c4 and smeared with losso.

Bet that would bring that barrel back to life
 
VaniB said:
I am not anywhere in the league of you guys who do soooo much shooting, and you have so much more experience with the various different barrels after cleaning then I do. But, I have an old Hawkeye scope and own & fired enough custom barrels (and also factory barrels) to know that I don't like what the OP is showing and telling us. That barrel chatter is ugly as hell, and I have only seen half of that much noise inside of a cheap Marlin 22Mag and a DPMS Panther barrel. The both barrels fired accurate enough, and in fact the Marlin 22mag heavy stainless varmint barrel was shooting 5 shot .175 groups at 50 yards. (yea, I was reloading that 22Mag barrel with Sierra 45 Hornets with that glass bedded stock to get that accuracy) If I were the OP, I'd have been disgusted enough at this point already that I'd be happy to just divorce myself of that thing and start fresh with a new quality lathed barrel. Mr Blum, I can understand why you're ready to throw the towel in on this one. Do what makes you happy.
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Makes no sense. You want him to toss a a dirty barrel yet you write of messing with barrels that are/were in the same shape.
 
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