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To uniform pocket or not, that is my question

Thanks to all of you for the various opinions. I have ordered a PPG ( BTW, nice and knowledgeable folks). My goal is to be able to make the steel sing at 1000 yards and beyond. My range might be stretched out to 1200, but consistency at 1000 is the goal for now.

I'm self taught in a little over a year, so learning the hard way thru videos and various forums.
 
I don't think it hurts anything other than the time it consumes and the expense of the tool. As has been said earlier, it's a good way to clean the primer pockets which I would I do regardless.

I chuck the tool up in my cordless drill and have at it. Doesn't take long and it's a good winter day project.
 
How much difference does it make at 300m if I uniform a primer pocket in Lapua 6BR brass?In the video below it was showed that group size of primer uniformed vs. not uniformed does not differ in a statistically significant way.

The thing about tests like this, is the actual quality of his brass pocket depth average and scatter. It is too easy to draw bad conclusions on poorly designed tests. Sorry to be critical, but just posting on YouTube doesn't qualify the results as valid and that spread of charges detracted from his test.

For example, what was the variation in this brass to begin with, both in terms of the average and the scatter? Why spread the test over a range of charges when what you are testing is supposed to be the pocket depths?

Knowing when to uniform is more important than told. The average depth is less important than the scatter in the depth. You can compensate for a batch to batch drift in average, but scatter is different.

His system of running all those different charges adds to confusion rather than clarity in the test and robs him of getting more samples into the places where they count.

A pocket depth uniform versus not uniform test would look like his best powder/bullet recipe with the best tuned group with any given primer for a baseline. Then show the pockets sorted after inspection for the highest variations in depths versus ones that have been uniformed or sorted for the least variation.

If the test is all good pockets versus better pockets, and spread across charges in and out of tune, it is weak. Distributing the few samples against multiple loads going in and out of tune, just adds to the confusion.

Concentrating the results to leverage the stats and arranging to either sort or force primer pocket depths into variation would have made the testing worth the effort.

You know, it is possible to intentionally force primer pocket depths into a scatter by using a tool, rather than wait for several batch sorts to save them up. Not every system will shoot the difference so you need to wait for the right gun and have a good tune, but you can force the brass into "bad" with an adjustable tool rather than wait for multiple batches of brass to come through your bench.

Before you get the impression that this is easy, there is debate as to seating method. Forced to the same depth regardless of pocket depth, versus always pushed to the bottom of the pocket plus preload crush for example. Pick your poison.

To make up a decent test, intentionally cut a three to five mil variation into the pocket depths, make it at least 10 to 15 of each extreme depth so nobody can say you are under sampled, pick one depth as a baseline and make 15 of those for the baseline group, then seat primers to a fixed method.

It is also good to show the seating depth results and method since some of the methods used to seat primers are better than others. Then see if the groups made of a mixed set of both extremes of 3 to 5 mils shoots as tight for you as a group made of baseline ones with less than 1 mil of scatter.

As you can see, not a fun or cheap task, and you need to have a rig that shoots small with reliability as the test mule too. Sorry for sounding critical of BoltActionReloading's test, but it didn't prove anything one way or the other. YMMV
 
The only advantage I experienced, if you want to call it an "advantage", was that it was a lot easier to clean the pockets after they were uniformed. I haven't expeirence any improvement in performance however.

Just my experience - I don't have an axe to grind regarding this issue.
 
not precision data, not a precision rifle, not a good reference point...unless you are a hunter or a plinker
Good point. Believe me, I was looking for more reliable test, more statistically relevant data and found nothing. Actually everything I found was (a) article on accurateshooter.com on redundancy of uniforming primer pockets in 6BR Lapua brass, (b) a passage in Zediker's book with the same conclusion.

So, I believe that if you uniform primer pockets, weigh primers, seat primers with .001" accuracy, it makes a difference on paper. I would like however to know, how much difference it makes in order to assess if it's worth the hassle.
 
I've been playing with this lately on the ammo for my FTR rifles. I *think* there's some improvement to be had. It's not like changing neck tension or depth etc., but I think they shoot tighter.

I think the biggest thing is cutting down on variation; I haven't found a way to get them all 100% consistent, but I can make them more uniform than they were.

YMMV.
 
Good point. Believe me, I was looking for more reliable test, more statistically relevant data and found nothing. Actually everything I found was (a) article on accurateshooter.com on redundancy of uniforming primer pockets in 6BR Lapua brass, (b) a passage in Zediker's book with the same conclusion.

So, I believe that if you uniform primer pockets, weigh primers, seat primers with .001" accuracy, it makes a difference on paper. I would like however to know, how much difference it makes in order to assess if it's worth the hassle.
Do a search for "primer crush"
You'll see information including targets shot at distance.
Notice how the groups in the photos change with just .001 difference in crush. This alone stands to reason that having a uniform pocket depth will aid in your own precision.
 
Do a search for "primer crush"
You'll see information including targets shot at distance.
Notice how the groups in the photos change with just .001 difference in crush. This alone stands to reason that having a uniform pocket depth will aid in your own precision.
how do you control primer crush? I use Forster Co-ax primer seater, I just try not to seat the primer excessively deep, but it's not a micrometer primer seater.
 
Good point. Believe me, I was looking for more reliable test, more statistically relevant data and found nothing. Actually everything I found was (a) article on accurateshooter.com on redundancy of uniforming primer pockets in 6BR Lapua brass, (b) a passage in Zediker's book with the same conclusion.

So, I believe that if you uniform primer pockets, weigh primers, seat primers with .001" accuracy, it makes a difference on paper. I would like however to know, how much difference it makes in order to assess if it's worth the hassle.
the good news for those of us that actually shoot long range, what you believe, and the facts are very different.
 
how do you control primer crush? I use Forster Co-ax primer seater, I just try not to seat the primer excessively deep, but it's not a micrometer primer seater.
I have been seating my primers for five years using the primer attachment tool on my A-12 R.C.B.S. press , with the Large primer cup , rather than the small cup . It has given very consistent ignition and positive response .

I do use a primer pocket tool on all new brass to cut a uniform corner in the bottom of the pocket , and it gives a uniform depth for seating . Also use the pocket tool after every firing to clean the "junk" out of the pocket before tumbling . Brass is Lapua SRP .
 
New to this forum so here is the question. I have watched a lot of yt videos and one of the more respected f class shooters was saying not to uniform primer pockets.

I have Lapua, Peterson, Alpha, Hornady, LC, and Winchester brass, so I'm trying to tighten up my groups and wonder if it is worth the effort?

I primarily shoot 6.5C, 300WM, and 338 LM. Thanks for any assistance.
Of course you should uniform your primer pockets...every time, especially with an autoloader. You want to make sure that your primer pockets are of the proper depth to be able to seat your primers flush or just slightly below.

Danny
 

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