Timing Savage actions

[JFrank]

I have a local guy, Master rifle builder. I won't drop his name"
Maybe he'll squeeze me in for a little Savage bolt mods 101

Good guy that always says- Christ sakes, get some skills!

Well nows my chance

 

[Delfuego]

I run a bolt handle from extreme hardcore gear, I believe it's a tad longer increasing leverage.
I'm also interested in polishing the cocking ramp and rear bolt baffle as well as installing Kevin's small disc with the ball bearing however to make that as effective as possible I believe shortening the BAS to match the disc thickness is in order.
Do you think I'm on the right track?

The longer handle does help! Also you can add spacers/washers to the BAS if you don't want to grind it down. I would however polish the face of the BAS so it's smooth and shiny. I found the Thrust bearing worked better than the "lift kit" I got. I haven't seen Nate's (PTG) kit in person so I cannot comment on those.

 

[savagedasher]

Bolt lift is the amount of friction it takes to cock the action savage has a heavy fire pinion you
Can find springs that have the same pressure and don’t stack the pressure
And you can also remove the friction
By the use of a bearing
I. Use a flat caged thrust bearing from transmission

 

[JFrank]

Bolt lift and timing is on my winter to do list for sure.
Thx guys

 

[Bojo]

Bolt lift is the amount of friction it takes to cock the action savage has a heavy fire pinion you
Can find springs that have the same pressure and don’t stack the pressure
And you can also remove the friction
By the use of a bearing
I. Use a flat caged thrust bearing from transmission

Care to show pics and give part number ?

 

[savagedasher]

Care to show pics and give part number ?

Their is a lot more work that hast to be done it isn’t just a drop in

 

[FURMAN]

I am not going to read through every post as it appears to be mostly bashing SSS. I have had nothing but good luck with them if you are patient but to those who have not I am sorry. As for timing an action it has absolutely zero to do with how the bolt will slide in the raceway and everything to do with getting rid of cock on close due to poor factory timing and overcocking as well as bolt lift. Savages are not near as bad as 700s in this regard and to get the most out of either action they need to be timed. I think most people understand truing but very few actually understand timing. As far as I am concerned Fred is the best at timing a Savage followed very closely by Kevin at Stockade Stocks. Kevin is easier to communicate with. The only person I really hear talking about timing a 700 is Alex Wheeler. The difference between an untimed action and a properly timed is night and day period.

 

[JFrank]

Well this thread was started in February 2011 so I think everyone is done bashing Fred, personally I never have.
Savage articles and threads are of interest to me that's why I revisited this one.
I could ship my bolt to several people but I wanted the knowledge and experience.

 

[savagedasher]

It not only the bolt that the problem
I have many of hours in mine
But I won’t do someone else’s
I can lift mine with two fingers and have the accurate trigger at 5 oz or less

 

[JFrank]

I always have the fear that I send my bolt across the country and don't see it again for six months.
No matter who's name is on the door

 

[FURMAN]

I have found that the PTG Savage bolts are timed a lot better just by the way they are cut. I still feel have SSS do it is well worth the price and time but it is a great second option.

 

[Delfuego]

This is the one I used. There are different diameter versions so measure you stuff first or order a a couple.

https://www.avidrc.com/product/1/bearings/191/5x11x4-Thrust-Bearing-F5-11M-bearings.html?cc=1

PM me if you need a link to one of the old threads we had.

 

[savagedasher]

With that what did you do for a fireing pin spring

 

[PhilC]

Link did not work.

http://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?161-Fred-Moreo-Timging-Truing-Explained

 

[savagedasher]

http://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?161-Fred-Moreo-Timging-Truing-Explained

I had two done nothing was done to the thread for the tennon
He trued the face for the locking lug
He installed a shell caseworker a ball bearing in the back a and ground the fire pin spring
Yes it had easy bolt lift but the lock time was very slow
Not knocking him but It leaves a lot to be desired

 

[Terry]

Fred has done 6 actions for me.
All excellent.

 

[JFrank]

Fred has done 6 actions for me.
All excellent.

Ya got one for sale?

 

[Terry]

Ya got one for sale?

No, all in use.

 

[NorCalMikie]

You want a "one finger" bolt lift? Get a Remington XP 100 action and don't look back.
Had Fred at SSS do a T&T job on my Savage Model 12 LH SA. Not impressed with the finished product. Actually didn't feel any different than before the T&T job. I have installed Tactical (extended) bolt handles on all of my Savage actions. Even went as far as to have one "custom made" for my lefty action. They DO help ease the bolt lift BUT, will NEVER match the ease of my XP action.

 

[243BR]

yep Fred does great work.

i sent him a dual port savage target action. had it timed and trued, evolution trigger and bedded into his dog tracker stock. that bedding was a work of art and the action cycled like a different action. the only savage trigger that i have been pleased with.

Fred is a true craftsman. you can't rush perfection. Comunication with them was very easy. they did everything i asked

and the proof is on the target.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd disagree with this comment. I bought a stock from him. After waiting nearly a year it arrived. It appeared to have been milled incorrectly, the mistake filled with epoxy and remilled. I've not done business with SSS since and don't intend to in the future.