Time factors for shooting

[Tentman]

Hello Gentlemen

I am trying to develop a better understanding of the physics of "follow-through", particularly the elapsed time of each stage. Forgive my probably over simplistic approach for now, I am not a trained scientist so I know I lack proper method but hey, even a blind pig may occasionally find an acorn!

Some of the times are readily apparent, for example the barrel time of the bullet, round 1.25 - 1.5 mS from Quickload, locktime from 1.2 mS to quite a bit for a Mauser - manufacturers data!

However there are a number of other times that I have never seen quantified, for example how long does it take from the time ones brain decides the sight picture is correct to the the moment you trigger finger can break the trigger? How long does the rifle continue moving from the recoil impluse after the shot is taken. There are probably many others that require consideration and quantification.

So if anyone has any references or ideas to share I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks
Foster

 

[Mozella]

.............. snip............. for example how long does it take from the time ones brain decides the sight picture is correct to the the moment you trigger finger can break the trigger? .......... snip.........

In my personal experience, just a tiny bit too long. And the delay gets a little longer each year. DANG!

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I remember reading an article several years ago in Precision Shooting magazine that spoke about the calculated movement of the gun while the bullet was still in the bore. Seems like it was along the lines of .050" of gun movement before the bullet exited. Of course this is approximate due to all of the variables involved, but I think it will hold close enough for most purposes.

 

[Immike]

Regardless of how fast these small mS numbers seem, there is still plenty of time for deflection of the aim point. Follow through is so important. You have to stay with it until it's well beyond the exit or you will have bad shots. I was taught that everything totaled 4 mSec but I can't count that fast. Lol There is definitly plenty of time from trigger to exit , even a blink is easy to see.

 

[Tentman]

Hmm - well from those responses and the thoughts they triggered (pun intended!) I did google a reference that our brain can process an image in about 13 mS.

Keep em coming!!

 

[hpshooter]

You will find a lot of this type information in "Competitive Shooting" by A. A. Yur'Yev.

This individual was a coach for the Russian Olympic shooters and covers a wealth of information in his text. I have only read excerpts from a friends copy and have never had the discipline required to read it in its entirety.

The text can be found for sale on line.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I guess I never really was that worried about my follow through past muzzle exit. If I see the muzzle flash or smoke before the rifle moves, or I blink, all is well with the shot.

Now, when i shoot from an unstable position, I have to experiment with the shot break timing to get the best result - i.e. break the shot just before getting to center. Shooting squirrels off-hand comes to mind.

 

[BSJ]

Your body may be flinching, well before your brain even tells your finger to move.

If concentrating on good follow through calms your mind and body, you're ahead of the curve.

 

[Immike]

Anticipation is a killer for some people. I had a older friend that couldn't win a local 3 shot score match that we had often. If the first 2 were in the middle then he'd blow the 3rd one out everytime. I took his spotting scope away from him late in a big match that wasn't going well for him. I called the 1st shot low even though it was dead center, then I called the 2nd high that went through the same hole. He shot the 3rd right through that hole and won. He was cussing and kicking that he screwed it up again so I took off down the line. I could hear him screaming "you lied to me" when I got to my truck!! Lol

 

[savagedasher]

Anticipation is a killer for some people. I had a older friend that couldn't win a local 3 shot score match that we had often. If the first 2 were in the middle then he'd blow the 3rd one out everytime. I took his spotting scope away from him late in a big match that wasn't going well for him. I called the 1st shot low even though it was dead center, then I called the 2nd high that went through the same hole. He shot the 3rd right through that hole and won. He was cussing and kicking that he screwed it up again so I took off down the line. I could hear him screaming "you lied to me" when I got to my truck!! Lol

That the reason women and kids shoot so good . They don't think . And that is a good thing. Larry

 

[Immike]

That the reason women and kids shoot so good . They don't think . And that is a good thing. Larry

That pretty much says it. We need our security blankets after we go too deep in this. Lol This is actually a round about way of answering the OP's question . The mind performs as it is trained so if it is drilled thoroughly then no problem. If a shooter is leaning on the pit service or target then it comes from constant training and experience. I was recently asked if John F Kennedy's assassination was possible by Oswald. My answer was - have you ever been in a accident where everything slowed down? We have all seen fantastic athletes before so this sport qualifies for extraordinary people. I know a few of them.

 

[savagedasher]

That pretty much says it. We need our security blankets after we go too deep in this. Lol This is actually a round about way of answering the OP's question . The mind performs as it is trained so if it is drilled thoroughly then no problem. If a shooter is leaning on the pit service or target then it comes from constant training and experience. I was recently asked if John F Kennedy's assassination was possible by Oswald. My answer was - have you ever been in a accident where everything slowed down? We have all seen fantastic athletes before so this sport qualifies for extraordinary people. I know a few of them.

Some can control their mind .
But most our mind controls us.
Shooting arrows learn to focus on where I wanted the arrow to go . Guns is no different . Larry