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[Uthink Uknow]

I sometimes wonder why Christ doesn't come on the forum.
And now I know.

 

[JRS]

I sometimes wonder why Christ doesn't come on the forum.
And now I know.

You wouldn't understand him. He didn't speak "good English". Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew.

 

[6xcshooter]

I’ve been doing it like Erik said for years and years. Proved it to myself long ago, just don’t get carried away with bumping it back to far. By the way Erik stop giving all our secrets away.

 

[snakepit]

I, for one, would love to see F-Class shooters continue or start neck sizing instead of FL-sizing. ;-)

Does that mean you would like to have any advantage you can get?

 

[people]

It depends on my chamber. Some I do some I do not. Some it is both. My M1 has a very large chamber and it does take several shots to hammer them to fit. Neck size until they are long enough to do a FL setback. Yes it is head spaced correctly. Commercial brass is soft enough to just expand fully and I FL it every shot.

You need to find out what works best in your rifle for your application.

 

[Someoldguy]

Some days, the things I learn from this site are QUITE unexpected.




And I'm not speaking about how to size brass.

 

[nakneker]

I've watched many of Eric's videos and have made some of his tips part of my routine. He's a nice guy who is more than willing to share what he has learned from the many hours spent in sport. I respect that, it's typical of most firearms enthusiasts to help others have success in the sport. I was surprised by the negative comments, if his tip is something you don't agree with or plan to experiment with I would suggest leaving it at that. It's one thing to disagree with his line of thinking, it's another thing to bash him personally.

 

[Erud]

I’ve been doing it like Erik said for years and years. Proved it to myself long ago, just don’t get carried away with bumping it back to far. By the way Erik stop giving all our secrets away.

Secrets? I don't know a single person who neck sizes.

 

[JLT]

I am certainly not not going to stop neck sizing because some guy I don't know and who can't speak good English said I was crazy for doing it.

I was willing to entertain and consider the content of your post until I read the last sentence. By the pretty pink toes of the white-bearded prophets, why did you think it was a good idea to write that?!?

As many have already stated, Erik is well-respected and a very accomplished pro and your attempt to diminish him with that comment does not speak well for you. Mom and Dad taught me that value judgments based on a single attribute are always wrong.

By the way, I speak four languages fluently. Keep working on your English.

Respectfully,

Jose Luis Pedro Trasancos Castaneda de Arrietta, Ph.D., USA, Ret.

 

[DaveTooley]

I am going to quit neck sizing.
I am going to quit full length sizing.
I am going to deprime, reprime, fill the case to the neck with powder.
I am going to set the bullet on the powder and shoot.
Any takers on the new program?

Don't laugh. It's been done many times.

 

[Someoldguy]

Don't laugh. It's been done many times.

Seems some fella named Pope had a bit of success with that a century ago.

Harry Pope. Probably nothing to be learned there, though.

 

[dsculley]

Well, I have never neck sized only. When I first started hand loading for my 7mm RM, I was following the manufacturers directions for setting up my sizing die and wound up bumping the shoulders back too far. I soon learned there was a better way. I learned how to measure my cases and to just bump the shoulder back .002" - .003" and got much better results. Fast forward to now. For my 6.5x47 I have a Harrell die which I call semi-custom. It is a bushing die and I have been really pleased with the performance of my ammo and longevity of the brass. As Erik stated, if you size your brass correctly the primer pockets will be the first thing to go.

After this experience with the 6.5x47, I will get a new die when I get a new barrel if this die is not as good a fit. I know that I could probably just use this die anyway, but I like the way this die is working out for this barrel/chamber. When you look at the total cost of our sport, the cost of a new die to match the chamber of your new barrel is a minor expense. Since your ammo is a big part of the accuracy equation, it only makes sense to get the tools to make the best ammo you can if you are a serious shooter.

If neck sizing works for you, then that is what you should do. From what Erik said on the video, he has seen more than one or two shooters have issues during a match that were attributed to neck sizing, hence his strong opinion on the issue for competitive shooters. Those of you who favor neck sizing have voiced your opinions just as strongly, Tit for tat. When I listened to Erik, he sounded very eloquent and made his point well. I am from the deep south (South Alabama) and have had Californians, Coloradans and others stereotype me because of my accent. Just because I may talk funny, and may sometimes use colloquialisms that are strange to those from other areas, this does not mean that I am not educated and capable of forming informed opinions.

I learned a long time ago that when I don't know something, it is usually best to remain silent (Perhaps you are thinking "Well, you should have done that this time!"). I have learned a lot over the years doing that. I believe it was Abraham Lincoln that said "Sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!" Lest anyone get their dander up, I am not pointing this at anyone in particular. This is just food for thought.

By the way, Admiral Rickover came to the U.S. from Poland, was called the "Father of the Nuclear Navy", read the Bible completely in English, Polish and Hebrew, was the longest serving member of the armed forces in history and when he retired he still had a bit of an accent!

 

[Rope2horns]

I am certainly not not going to stop neck sizing because some guy I don't know and who can't speak good English said I was crazy for doing it.

Hmmm,,,I know for a fact Erik speaks better English than Immike. So you might wanna listen to what Erik is trying to tell ya.

 

[Cigarcop]

Hmmm,,,I know for a fact Erik speaks better English than Immike. So you might wanna listen to what Erik is trying to tell ya.

Lmao ......I’ll 2nd that I usually just hang up on Mike 30 sec into the conversation!!!

 

[joshb]

Well, I'm an "open book", clean slate noob trying the learn the finer points and trying to establish a "procedure". I listen to the experts. Some times the experts disagree and I'm left scratching my head. My thinking was to let my brass fire form to my chamber thru 2 firings, then measure the shoulder to get a "baseline" and bump 2 thou. Neck size after 1st firing so I don't push the shoulder back. Yes? No?

Ps: I have an accent. East Coast. I go to Texas, Canada, Italy, Spain, England or Maine and I always get the comment. "You have an accent. Where ya from?"

 

[snakepit]

My thinking was to let my brass fire form to my chamber thru 2 firings, then measure the shoulder to get a "baseline" and bump 2 thou. Neck size after 1st firing so I don't push the shoulder back. Yes? No?

Yes, that has worked good for me.

 

[GSPV]

Josh, you are on the right track.

People here are talking about neck sizing vs a minimal FL sizing as a *standard* procedure.
Getting your bump dialed in is a related, but different, topic.

 

[Knotwild]

I was willing to entertain and consider the content of your post until I read the last sentence. By the pretty pink toes of the white-bearded prophets, why did you think it was a good idea to write that?!?

The last sentence of my post was stating that every day there is someone out there saying his way is best and you are crazy for doing it any other way. I don't know Eric Cortina from Adam's house cat and stated that I do not shoot competitively. I said he did not speak good English, I did not bash him for being of any other nationality. If you think I am racist, that is your opinion and that people are pretty quick to throw that accusation out there today.

As far as I know, he is just another guy saying something on the internet. You can read anything on the internet, you can judge anyone on the internet, you can think you have the facts on the internet, you can even think you are somebody, on the internet and you will surely find someone that doesn't follow your line of thinking.

And I do not know about custom dies, other than they are expensive. If I decide I might need one, I will seek someone I trust to teach me about them, but it probably won't be an anonymous person on a forum.

 

[ShootDots]

Let me tell you a little bit about Erik Cortina. I started shooting F-Open Long-Range in December of 2011. I was shooting with Erik every month at Bayou Rifles. We used to shoot 1000, 600 and 300. I watched Erik over the years. He is an excellent shot! When Erik is "on his A-Game" he is all but impossible to beat. When he is OFF his A-Game, he is just very difficult to beat! In ALL of the 1000 yard matches I shot against Erik, I believe (can not remember for sure) I believe I only beat him ONE time! Since I started shooting F-Open I have made every TSRA Long-Range State Championship there is>>>>I witnessed Erik WIN the last 3 in a row! This means he beat shooters the likes of Mark Walker (who in his own right is one of the TOP 10 L/R Open shooters in the country) David Mann, Walter Lange, John Myers and a few others who literally reign at the top of F-Open! On many occasions I have called Erik to "run something past him" and he has always been a help.
A few years ago we at Bayou Rifles held a "Advanced Reloading Clinic" to help people along. His input was invaluable. The man KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT! So whether Erik talks with a mild (and I do mean mild) Hispanic "accent" do not think for 1 second that his "accent" somehow invalidates his reloading prowess, it does NOT!
I know Erik pretty dang well, and if I could shoot anywhere near as good as he does, I would consider that a Badge of Honor!

 

[Jay Christopherson]

The last sentence of my post was stating that every day there is someone out there saying his way is best and you are crazy for doing it any other way. I don't know Eric Cortina from Adam's house cat and stated that I do not shoot competitively. I said he did not speak good English, I did not bash him for being of any other nationality. If you think I am racist, that is your opinion and that people are pretty quick to throw that accusation out there today.

As far as I know, he is just another guy saying something on the internet. You can read anything on the internet, you can judge anyone on the internet, you can think you have the facts on the internet, you can even think you are somebody, on the internet and you will surely find someone that doesn't follow your line of thinking.

And I do not know about custom dies, other than they are expensive. If I decide I might need one, I will seek someone I trust to teach me about them, but it probably won't be an anonymous person on a forum.

Erik speaks better/cleaner English than a lot of native speakers that I know.

I don't really understand the rest of your comments though - why do you bother to hang out on an "internet forum", where probably 99% of the guys who post are "anonymous" to you, if it's not for information? Information is sort of the whole point of this forum, whacky tangents aside. It would take all of 30 seconds on a forum search (or even a Google search) to figure out who Erik Cortina is (or lots of other guys on this forum) if you needed to vet something they were saying. It sounds like a huge waste of your time if you are just reading threads to complain about what (or how) information is being presented.