this is the very best rifle vise I have ever had!!!!! Bar NONE!!!

[LarryDScott]

Larry I would not waste my money. Why in the hell would anyone buy a vise that was only good for removing a barrel. If some neophyte were to try and remove a barrel from a pinned action he would probably ruin the action. I congratulate you on your intent to offer something new to the industry but you should have tried it out for more than what you intended; a single purpose item.

You read into my text what you want it to say. I stated what I used it for, and also said it may fit other actions, but I havent needed it for any other purpose,other than the 700s.
I made you an offer to try my product, but I guess you had rather cast doubt, on something you know nothing about.
Thats what board TROLLS do. Either put up or shut up. LDS

 

[LarryDScott]

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[Eddie Harren]

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Don't hold your breath!

 

[butchlambert]

Don't hold your breath!

LDS, Kobe's vise is much like mine. In this case it would serve him no purpose to test drive it.

 

[shortgrass]

LDS, Kobe's vise is much like mine. In this case it would serve him no purpose to test drive it.

And that's just the way it is when marketing hobby gunsmithing tools around professional gunsmiths who, long ago, have already "been there, done that".

 

[butchlambert]

I'm not dissing Larry's product.l

 

[Eric Leonard]

I was taught to heat the bbl just enough that a little smoke would come out of the inside of the action indicating that the glue Rem uses has melted and it is ready to screw off,,

 

[LarryDScott]

I cant fix stupid, you have accomplished your
purpose of sabotaging my sales of a fine product.
Even though you have no actual facts to form your opinion
you have cast enough doubt to an unknowing prospective
buyer to turn them away. Gundoktr and Shortgrass, you
should both be very proud of what you have done. I would say
I will return the favor some time, but no I wont, because I
have more business class than that, and thats obviously something
neither of you have. Type away, the audience is yours, I'M THROUGH
ON THIS THREAD. LARRY D. SCOTT

 

[carlsbad]

I answered my own question about the action wrench. My large Wheeler action wrench that is good for the very high torque needed to break free a factory barrel has a slot for the lug similar to what Larry has in his vise. I flipped it over and it clears the lug so the lug can be installed in a vise slot. I tightened it good and tight and securely engaged the 1/4-28 bolt that engages the action to the wrench.

Needing to take apart a new Rem 30-06 for my .284 Shehane long action build I put the lug in the slot and it worked like a champ. No heat, no rosin, no scars on the barrel from rotating. I do recommend the cheater to protect your back.

I would recommend this vise. Be careful you need a lot of torque so don't break a cheap action wrench off in your action.

--Jerry

 

[Preacher]

Any one that tries to remove a factory 700 barrel with a action wrench is looking for BIG problems....

 

[carlsbad]

Any one that tries to remove a factory 700 barrel with a action wrench is looking for BIG problems....

What do you use other than an action wrench? I think you meant to add a type of action wrench in there since you're gonna have to use some kind....

 

[Preacher]

What do you use other than an action wrench? I think you meant to add a type of action wrench in there since you're gonna have to use some kind....

I meant a internal action wrench that uses the internal lugs to push against will cause problems trying to remove a factory installed barrel....
They are OK for a newly installed barrel with out tons of torque needed to remove the barrel, but trying to remove a factory installed barrel will do some damage if you use them.
I use a internal action wrench on all my 700's and BAT actions that have been rebarreled by me, along with a barrel vise to remove them...
If I plan on removing a factory barrel from a 700 action I use a jig to hold the recoil lug at the same time, with the barrel in a clamp kinda like Larry's and I only use it to remove factory 700 barrels..

 

[carlsbad]

Yep. I agree.

 

[shortgrass]

I've been removing factory install Remington 700 barrels for 25yrs AND I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM! I use athe barrel vise and action wrench I was REQUIRED to make while in 'basic machining' while in gunsmithing school. There are tools for professionals and tools for hobbiests. Sorry if that's being too blunt for some, but that's the way it is. Want a real challenge? Try removing a barrel from a Model 1917/1914 'Enfield' or a a Howa 1500/Wby Vanguard without making a 'releif cut'. Sometimes you'll get lucky, most of the time you won't. There's more to 'gunsmithing' than Remington 700s! And Gundoktr, he's a 'real' gunsmith,,,, a member of the ACGG, I believe, not just a 'wanna-be'. And no, I'm not pesonal friend of his, wouldn't know him from "Adam". But the man has a serious reputation as a gunmaker. I've peronally examined some of his work and it's "top shelf"..... And it's not just 'dropped-in' a pre-made stock from one of the talked about manufactures..........

 

[Steve Ladino]

Larry, Just try to explain to us non-believers how it helps to capture the recoil lug when removing the barrel! ANd then tell us how how you get the recoil lug oriented when it is also captured by the vise. Just a couple simple questions for us nay-sayers.

It seems to me that the tension exerted on both sides of the recoil lug is reduced to only tension against the action side when the lug is captured therefore making removal half as difficult ( as tight ) and as to alignment all that would be needed is to loosen the vise nuts and do a little trial and error rotation and tightening until you get pre scribed alignment marks on the lug and action lined up.

 

[butchlambert]

It seems to me that the tension exerted on both sides of the recoil lug is reduced to only tension against the action side when the lug is captured therefore making removal half as difficult ( as tight ) and as to alignment all that would be needed is to loosen the vise nuts and do a little trial and error rotation and tightening until you get pre scribed alignment marks on the lug and action lined up.

I'm sorry, I don't agree. While you are playing with this, somebody could be making money or doing something else.

 

[Steve Ladino]

I'm sorry, I don't agree. While you are playing with this, somebody could be making money or doing something else.

That depends on your priorities, mine are unlike yours. I have the time and I don't need more money.

 

[shortgrass]

What it boils down to is, I shouldn't need 6 differnt barrel vises in the shop to remove/install barrels on actions. I 'll need quit a few action wrenches, as the way to 'grab' an action varies by manufacture. But barrels? Leave it to the interdnet to try to make it more complicated than it is.

 

[butchlambert]

That depends on your priorities, mine are unlike yours. I have the time and I don't need more money.

Spladi, I too have plenty of time, but I built a vise that does not limit me. I spent some of my extra time making a quality vise that will do all but cannons and double rifles.

 

[carlsbad]

What it boils down to is, I shouldn't need 6 differnt barrel vises in the shop to remove/install barrels on actions. I 'll need quit a few action wrenches, as the way to 'grab' an action varies by manufacture. But barrels? Leave it to the interdnet to try to make it more complicated than it is.

Could you please post a photo of the vise you made years ago that will hold any barrel? thanks, jerry