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Think I made a big mistake getting the wylde

I bought a McGowin barrel in 7 twist 26 inch wylde chamber.Scewed in on
a Savage action..Not sure of the chamber length..Tried bullets from 60 to
90 different powders,brass,primers,oal etc..Don't shoot worth a shit at
300 yards..Like a 12 gauge..Thought it was the scope,Sightron 36 x..Took it
off checked all the screws. Replaced it and done 2 box test..Seems to be ok..
So must be the barrel,right? Barrel is a bull stainless..Any ideas?
 
I bought a McGowin barrel in 7 twist 26 inch wylde chamber.Scewed in on
a Savage action..Not sure of the chamber length..Tried bullets from 60 to
90 different powders,brass,primers,oal etc..Don't shoot worth a shit at
300 yards..Like a 12 gauge..Thought it was the scope,Sightron 36 x..Took it
off checked all the screws. Replaced it and done 2 box test..Seems to be ok..
So must be the barrel,right? Barrel is a bull stainless..Any ideas?


We have one on my sons 223 I will tell you what works in it (but you must at your own risk work up slowly to it) I load a 90gr SMK at 2.016 in lapua brass with a R.E.M. 7 1/2 primer with 25gr power pro 2000 in it that thing shoots pretty good out to 600 and at a 100 will shoot well inside a dime.
 
I bought a McGowin barrel in 7 twist 26 inch wylde chamber.Scewed in on
a Savage action..Not sure of the chamber length..Tried bullets from 60 to
90 different powders,brass,primers,oal etc..Don't shoot worth a shit at
300 yards..Like a 12 gauge..Thought it was the scope,Sightron 36 x..Took it
off checked all the screws. Replaced it and done 2 box test..Seems to be ok..
So must be the barrel,right? Barrel is a bull stainless..Any ideas?
Many many variables . Need more info , stock , type of bench set up , flags , fired cases look like , bolt handle hitting stock , trig hitting stock , front action screw hitting bolt , scope screws hitting barrel , scope adjust ment , parallax , new brass ( I hope ) and much more needed
Why did you want the wylde ? That's more for the AR set up using commercial 223 and military 5.56 .
 
Wylde was originally developed as a match chamber for .223, not to shoot both 5.56 and .223. That was just a happy coincidence. It is a perfectly fine chamber for a bolt gun.
 
I have an AR with 1 in 7 twist, and it's terrible with the anything lighter than 75gr.
75gr and precisely 2000MR, oh boy, just incredible!
You should try it.
 
We have one on my sons 223 I will tell you what works in it (but you must at your own risk work up slowly to it) I load a 90gr SMK at 2.016 in lapua brass with a R.E.M. 7 1/2 primer with 25gr power pro 2000 in it that thing shoots pretty good out to 600 and at a 100 will shoot well inside a dime.
Can I assume that 2.016 is base to ogive? otherwise that is damn short
 
Not sure of the chamber length
Are you talking chamber or throat length? Did you install the barrel with go/nogo guages?
Replaced it and done 2 box test..Seems to be ok..
You did a box test with a rifle barrel the you have suspicions about? Confirm the scope on a different rifle, properly headspace the barrel on your action, Measure the Max COAL, and I would then start .010 off the lands. Start low and work up. Also, check the crown with a Qtip for any burrs. I would imagine it is something obvious, I have ar uppers that have been run on full auto lowers that shoot better than that.
 
If your headspace is ok and your scope is good on a different rifle it just might be your barrel. When you say like a 12ga how big is that? Have you tried any factory ammo in it? How does that compare to your handloads?
 
Wylde was originally developed as a match chamber for .223, not to shoot both 5.56 and .223. That was just a happy coincidence. It is a perfectly fine chamber for a bolt gun.
There are many better 223 chamber designs better suited for shooting tiny groups from a bolt gun .
If the op just posts a question with no follow up answers I guess he got it shooting .
 
When I size for my Rock River national match the case is to large for my stock Rem 700 and won't chamber. So the wylde chamber must have a different print than the 223 ?
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5.56/223 chambers are all over the place. you have 5.56 then wilde than .223 then .223 match.

but just.because it says one or the other means little. little consistency among manufacturers.
 
A Wylde chambered 1:7 generally is a great match for a 223. Given, there are better chambers if you like to just shoot tiny groups at 100-300 yards on paper, but, remember a Wylde chamber can allow XTC shooter to hold a 6" X ring a 600 yards with irons.

I would...
1) Call McGowen, ask them for a reamer print for their Wylde chambering. Check the twist with a tight patch on a cleaning rod. A 1:14 twist won't shoot much longer then a 52 grainer.
2) Load a 80 SMK or the like long in a dummy cartridge (no primer or powder), chamber carefully and look for rifling marks on the bullet, clean the bullet with 0000 steel wool, seat it a bit more and look again, repeat until the marks just appear, then are gone. That will give you a pretty good idea where the rifling starts.
3) With the barrel in the stock, check the action screws, the should be ~ 60 inch pounds using a torque wrench.
4) Check the barrel, is it free floated? Can you run a dollar bill all the way under the barrel to the action without any binding?
5) Is the action bedded? Should be for best accuracy.
6) Check the muzzle for nicks (mentioned in previous post)
7) After firing do you get a lot of copper while cleaning?
8) Scopes hold their own issues, several mentioned in above posts, good base and rings are a must, rings torqued to about 18 inch pounds, Cross bolts on rings ~60 inch pounds.
9) If all these check out, load a 69 or 77 SMK, jumping them ~25 thous. to the lands, with 23 grains of Varget and a Rem 7 1/2 primer (load is a little lighter than match loads, but a good start)
10) Shoot these from a very clean barrel, firing 5 shot groups from a solid rest. Most rifles will shoot a little better after they dirty up a bit. Shoot at least 5 - 5 shot groups and compare results. Go from there for better load and accuracy testing. If they shoot lousy, try a different bullet and or load, repeat.

Trying to find the accuracy problem isn't easy or much fun, not all barrels of all makes shoot really well, it's bit of a crap shoot sometimes. Pretty frustrating when you plunk down good money for a name brand barrel and it won't shoot.
Now, a HM friend ordered a 1:12 308 for Palma, he got a mismarked 1:18 twist, designed for a 30 BR, Could not understand why it keyholed 155 SMKs at 100 yards. I had a 1:10 Hart that would hold the 10 ring at 800 yards with any bullet I tried, but nothing better then the 10 ring and all of it. Can't win F-T/R matches with a >1MOA barrel, it's gone now!

Good luck.
 
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