I plan to shoot the Berger 185 Juggernaut at 1000 this weekend, They are just so hard to find I didn't want to use them for the 600 yard line. Insanely searching for at least 2-500 count boxes.
Rob
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Rob
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Yeah, let me take the contrarian view on that.
Unless you have unlimited funds to begin with, I believe it is more important to actually get to a competition with equipment that is adequate and affordable, rather than delay showing up to match because you're still trying to save up for the latest gizmo that all the cool kids use on the line. Also, there's always new gear showing up every year and I have noticed that the prices don't seem to be going down.
Further, do not discount the concept of buying secondhand gear as you discover things and form you own opinions. Over the long run, virtually everything gets updated in this game. And that includes handloading gear.
Well said.
The most important thing is to go to matches and get experience,as well meet other competitors,you have to learn to crawl before you can walk.It is no disgrace to get a low score and get one you will,sooner or later.As my brother said to a hopeful at the club one day who was beginning to get his gear going and thought he was ready for better things,now you have to learn how to win.
We're going to see what this weekend has in store for me. I have a 1000 yard match at Bayou Rifles on Sunday. I worked up a load with the Berger 185's and it looks promising. Also upgraded my scope to a NF competition 15-55 ( was using a NXS 8-32), got a seb rear bag, and made a board with carpet for the bipod.
I will vouch for him. You should get them while you can.
You are good to go, see you Sunday!
Not to worry, no one is turning this guy away!! I shot with him a couple weeks ago and we should all keep an eye on him because he will be moving up fast!!
That's something I'm learning.1,000 in FTR is about when NOT to shoot.
Acyr
Gold $$ Contributor
Nothing wrong with that score. You will slowly figure out how to get out of the 180's and into the 190's. There are some of the best FTR shooters in the country at Bayou. Don't be afraid to ask them for advice.
As far as Tim Vaught goes, he is on another level.
Cheers to your first 1,000 yard match
It's exciting when you send your first round at 1,000, your heart rate rises as you shoot and wait for the result. (please be on paper) YES...I am on paper lets win this.
Now after competing at 1,000 comes (strategy, centering the group, and safe siding)
- 188 5x target : appears to show the centre of the group was right and low. If you move the centre of the group up and left you see you lose the 11th and possibly 12th shots but pick up 7,10,13 and possibly 9. This is where the really good shooters see and adjust their groups centre during the string. ( i am still working on that part of my shooting)
The other observation i don't see any (S) sighters on the 9:00 o'clock side of the 10 ring. Shooting a sighter on the upwind side gives you a near max floating value to bracket your wind. With this information you have a reference moa value E.G. If you put 3moa on the gun it should put you on the 9:00 o'clock side of the target.
- 185 2x target: appears to show the centre of the group was high and right. lowering and moving left may have gained you a point or two. Here you shot two sighters (S1-S4) on both sides of the X ring. Were they different values or holds.
- 177 - 0x: appears to be a head / tail wind relay. If that was the case put your rifle on ZERO and shoot your sighters in both wind flag directions to see your wind bracket. Also note head / tail wind relays produce more vertical and will need you to adjust your aiming point depending on the direction of the wind ((high) left to right) and ((low) right to left).
Trevor
It's exciting when you send your first round at 1,000, your heart rate rises as you shoot and wait for the result. (please be on paper) YES...I am on paper lets win this.
Now after competing at 1,000 comes (strategy, centering the group, and safe siding)
- 188 5x target : appears to show the centre of the group was right and low. If you move the centre of the group up and left you see you lose the 11th and possibly 12th shots but pick up 7,10,13 and possibly 9. This is where the really good shooters see and adjust their groups centre during the string. ( i am still working on that part of my shooting)
The other observation i don't see any (S) sighters on the 9:00 o'clock side of the 10 ring. Shooting a sighter on the upwind side gives you a near max floating value to bracket your wind. With this information you have a reference moa value E.G. If you put 3moa on the gun it should put you on the 9:00 o'clock side of the target.
- 185 2x target: appears to show the centre of the group was high and right. lowering and moving left may have gained you a point or two. Here you shot two sighters (S1-S4) on both sides of the X ring. Were they different values or holds.
- 177 - 0x: appears to be a head / tail wind relay. If that was the case put your rifle on ZERO and shoot your sighters in both wind flag directions to see your wind bracket. Also note head / tail wind relays produce more vertical and will need you to adjust your aiming point depending on the direction of the wind ((high) left to right) and ((low) right to left).
Trevor
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Trevor expressed the sentiment correctly. I had a similar situation this weekend at the match.
I changed my 1000-yard load dramatically this past weekend, and went back in time about 8 years to my 180gr JLKs. I also swapped out the riflescope on my F-TR rig, put back my March-X 10-60X56 HM. My prior load was using a 230gr A-tip.
On Saturday, I went to my local club to make the riflescope swap. I got that done in a few minutes and started my next task, getting an MV for my 180gr load. That's when I discovered that I had not brought my Magnetospeed. Not enough time to go home and come back before dark. So set the zero at 30 inches from the bottom of the target and called it good enough with crossed fingers.
I checked the loading site at Hodgdon, used their velocity for a 24-inch barrel and guesstimated and additional 200FPS for the 30-inch barrel.
I went back to JBM with that MV and put in the environmental data that would apply the next day. I looked around for a small furry creature to sacrifice, could not find any and then gave up on that aspect.
On Sunday, I set up my rifle and waited from my relay (3). As the time approached I was increasingly nervous. We only allow 2 shots on target and if the SM does not register the second one, home you go. I took my time, aimed dead center on the target and pressed the trigger. I did my followthrough and looked over to my Smartphone. The yellow square lit up! I was on target somewhere.
Then I waited the 7 minutes ordered by the NRA as delay (ttok a nap, went for coffee and Port-A-Potty), and finally, the shot showed on the screen.
A 10 at 9 o'clock. You can only imagine my relief.
I changed my 1000-yard load dramatically this past weekend, and went back in time about 8 years to my 180gr JLKs. I also swapped out the riflescope on my F-TR rig, put back my March-X 10-60X56 HM. My prior load was using a 230gr A-tip.
On Saturday, I went to my local club to make the riflescope swap. I got that done in a few minutes and started my next task, getting an MV for my 180gr load. That's when I discovered that I had not brought my Magnetospeed. Not enough time to go home and come back before dark. So set the zero at 30 inches from the bottom of the target and called it good enough with crossed fingers.
I checked the loading site at Hodgdon, used their velocity for a 24-inch barrel and guesstimated and additional 200FPS for the 30-inch barrel.
I went back to JBM with that MV and put in the environmental data that would apply the next day. I looked around for a small furry creature to sacrifice, could not find any and then gave up on that aspect.
On Sunday, I set up my rifle and waited from my relay (3). As the time approached I was increasingly nervous. We only allow 2 shots on target and if the SM does not register the second one, home you go. I took my time, aimed dead center on the target and pressed the trigger. I did my followthrough and looked over to my Smartphone. The yellow square lit up! I was on target somewhere.
Then I waited the 7 minutes ordered by the NRA as delay (ttok a nap, went for coffee and Port-A-Potty), and finally, the shot showed on the screen.
A 10 at 9 o'clock. You can only imagine my relief.
ryanjay11
Gold $$ Contributor
This is the best advice you'll hear. It also applies at 600 if you want to win.1,000 in FTR is about when NOT to shoot.
blfuller123
Gold $$ Contributor
This was my first match too and my first time shooting 1000 yards. The one thing I was really sweating "please be on paper", after that I felt pretty confident and had a blast.
Blfuller123 Welcome to F class, its a great sport, better people, may this match start you on a the road to great success
Vin81
Gold $$ Contributor
Just finished powder test.
Stock Savage 12
.308 Lapua palma brass
Br-4 -5 thou
185 target juggs
Varget
-10 thou off touch
43.3gr
5 shot group .26”
ES 8
SD 3
2694 average fps
44.2
4 shot group .39
17 ES
7 SD
2741 average fps
Loading some more to retest.
Stock Savage 12
.308 Lapua palma brass
Br-4 -5 thou
185 target juggs
Varget
-10 thou off touch
43.3gr
5 shot group .26”
ES 8
SD 3
2694 average fps
44.2
4 shot group .39
17 ES
7 SD
2741 average fps
Loading some more to retest.
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