The ultimate 30 caliber long range hunting rig?????

[ShootDots]

Well I was going to call then WOODCHUCKS ;D But then again poor WOODCHUCKS. But I figure even if you WOUNDED ONE OR TWO no one would hold that against you!

Joe Salt

You can wound ALL the terrorist you want! But to disgrace a prairie dog by equating him with an ISIS terrorist is just totally degrading to a vaunted varmint, such as our wonderful furry long range targets, is uncivilized!

 

[hogpatrol]

I'm all for you "ethical" hunters throwing away your high power rifles, your scopes, your adjustable triggers, your composite stocks, your high percentage drop-off compound bows, mechanical broadheads, lighted sights and carbon fiber arrows & go back to fair chase and stalk hunting like these HUNTERS. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxPtb397Dxc

Forgot to mention, leave your ATVs, UTVs, 4WD trucks at home, same for your under armour and dress up in skins, a loin cloth and go barefoot. ;D

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I'm all for you "ethical" hunters throwing away your high power rifles, your scopes, your adjustable triggers, your composite stocks, your high percentage drop-off compound bows, mechanical broadheads, lighted sights and carbon fiber arrows & go back to fair chase and stalk hunting like these HUNTERS. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxPtb397Dxc

Forgot to mention, leave your ATVs, UTVs, 4WD trucks at home, same for your under armour and dress up in skins, a loin cloth and go barefoot. ;D

Do you understand hunting ethics? Cuz it appears you do not.

Ethics is not about hunting with primitive weapons and methods. It's about taking 'game animals' (not varmints) with a clean humane kill. Using a long bow with wooden arrows at 50 yards on an animal can be as unethical as trying to shoot one with a rifle at 1400 yards. Good hunting ethics simply means that you are attempting to harvest game within a reasnable distance and good quality weapon that minimizes the chance of missing the kill zone that will kill it cleanly.

If you use a long bow, fine. But it would be wise to limit yourself to 30 yards or less to increase the chance of a clean shot. Using a hi-tech rifle with all the gadgets is fine too, but shots should be kept to a distance where you know you can always place a shot where it needs to be in order to make a humane kill. So do you think the OP will be able to make 10 shots from a cold bore on 10 different days of the year at 1400 yards and never wound an animal with an errant shot. That answer is NO.

 

[JRS]

I'm all for you "ethical" hunters throwing away your high power rifles, your scopes, your adjustable triggers, your composite stocks, your high percentage drop-off compound bows, mechanical broadheads, lighted sights and carbon fiber arrows & go back to fair chase and stalk hunting like these HUNTERS. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxPtb397Dxc

Forgot to mention, leave your ATVs, UTVs, 4WD trucks at home, same for your under armour and dress up in skins, a loin cloth and go barefoot. ;D

Do you understand hunting ethics? Cuz it appears you do not.

Ethics is not about hunting with primitive weapons and methods. It's about taking 'game animals' (not varmints) with a clean humane kill. Using a long bow with wooden arrows at 50 yards on an animal can be as unethical as trying to shoot one with a rifle at 1400 yards. Good hunting ethics simply means that you are attempting to harvest game within a reasnable distance and good quality weapon that minimizes the chance of missing the kill zone that will kill it cleanly.

If you use a long bow, fine. But it would be wise to limit yourself to 30 yards or less to increase the chance of a clean shot. Using a hi-tech rifle with all the gadgets is fine too, but shots should be kept to a distance where you know you can always place a shot where it needs to be in order to make a humane kill. So do you think the OP will be able to make 10 shots from a cold bore on 10 different days of the year at 1400 yards and never wound an animal with an errant shot. That answer is NO.

I suppose i'm an unethical hunter, because I shoot my longbows out to 40 yards, and I use cedar and surewood shafts. I also use Ace and STOS broadheads. Never have I dropped a deer, elk, antelope or pig in it's tracks. They move on, and bleed to death. I have never, not recovered one. Consider me unethical :

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I was giving a rough example. Don't have to pick apart the details. If you can hit every time at 40 yards. Great. A bow will often hit the same every time of the Shooter does his/her part because effect of weather conditions (besides the wind) is minimal to none at all.

Hitting the same old targets from the same shooting poaitions at 40 yards is one thing. But if I came to your place and we set up 10 different targets at 40 yards with all different angles and elevations in areas you've never shot from, do you think you could make a perfect shot with your long bow on every one of them? Be honest...

 

[JRS]

Honestly? Absoutely Practice makes perfect, and competing in 3D shoots during the year, provides the unmarked distances, different angles, positions, etc. If I feel I can't get an arrow off cleanly, that animal will live to see another day!

 

[daniel brothers]

well... this thread went to crap

 

[Ledd Slinger]

...If I feel I can't get an arrow off cleanly, that animal will live to see another day!

Well then if you can guarantee that shot you are an ethical hunter

But the OP cold never guarantee a shot from a rifle at 1400 yards due to environmental forces he cannot control. No matter how much he practices.

 

[TonyR]

For all North American game
The ultimate hunting caliber/setup for a .30 cal.
For long range shots 1300 1400 yds.

30-338 Lapua
30-378
300 ultra
300 saum
300 wsm
What's your opinion?

Barrel life isn't a premium because it will be for hunting.
Would like to keep it above 350 rounds though.

There have been at least 2 Williamsport shooters posting on this topic and I seem to recall seeing some very nice 1000 yard groups shoot with a 30-338 of some sort, maybe a Weatherby Magnum, at Williamsport. There have been better groups shot with the 300 WSM but that is at a known distance and a 30-378 might have more velocity and a flatter trajectory for unknown distance hunting at long ranges like your thinking about.

 

[Joe Salt]

TonyR the 30-378 was back in the day, when I first started shooting 1000 Yard. It done real well, so did the 308 Baer, and 300 Win.Mag I'm not saying they wouldn't still do pretty good with some of the new powders out there. But the 300 WSM in my book is the easier one to get in tune and the accuracy is much better.
OH to the guy that posted the youtube video, you do with what you have, when you need to eat to survive! I'd take a bullet any day!

Joe Salt

 

[dkhunt14]

...If I feel I can't get an arrow off cleanly, that animal will live to see another day!

Well then if you can guarantee that shot you are an ethical hunter

But the OP cold never guarantee a shot from a rifle at 1400 yards due to environmental forces he cannot control. No matter how much he practices.

And neither can anybody else guarantee a shot. I see guys that can't hit a pie plate at 50 yards. The gangs drive and shoot at running deer in the brush and laurel. Bullets can hit a limb or anything else. I have seen pass throughs with no blood. It is never a guarantee at any distance. We shoot longrange and never lost a deer. If you make a bad hit they don't run they go a few feet and lay down. Now you finish it. When we hunt we see the whole mountain. You see the bullet go and compensate on the next shot. I bet there are far more deer lost with close range gun and bow. Matt

 

[Hydenseek]

...If I feel I can't get an arrow off cleanly, that animal will live to see another day!

Well then if you can guarantee that shot you are an ethical hunter

But the OP cold never guarantee a shot from a rifle at 1400 yards due to environmental forces he cannot control. No matter how much he practices.

And neither can anybody else guarantee a shot. I see guys that can't hit a pie plate at 50 yards. The gangs drive and shoot at running deer in the brush and laurel. Bullets can hit a limb or anything else. I have seen pass throughs with no blood. It is never a guarantee at any distance. We shoot longrange and never lost a deer. If you make a bad hit they don't run they go a few feet and lay down. Now you finish it. When we hunt we see the whole mountain. You see the bullet go and compensate on the next shot. I bet there are far more deer lost with close range gun and bow. Matt

^^^^now this man has made a point!

 

[Coleridge]

Ethics is not about hunting with primitive weapons and methods. It's about taking 'game animals' (not varmints) with a clean humane kill.

Why is ethics about "game animals" & not "varmints". A bald eagle is neither; is it OK to shoot him with a 300 Magnum or not???

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Let me borrow from Webster- Ethics: rules of behavior based on ideas about what is morally good and bad


So based on your definition; in God's kingdom of animals, we let the USFW decide the difference of "varmints" from "game animals" and what deserves to die nice & what deserves to die naughty???? Yet the F&W doesn't say that it's bad to take long shots; I'm confused...

Hey you ugly groundhog die & go to hell.

Stand still you cuddly cute little deer, I want to make sure I "send you to heaven" as fast as I can

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The same "ethics" should be used no matter what the target. In the end you are killing a living breathing creature no matter if it's cute, cuddly, ugly, antlers, teeth or whatever. Those that are giving a double standard are quit laughable... (terrorist excluded of corse )

People rationalize what they want, to make their self feel better or above another.

 

[Sniper338]

338 lapua...

i just built one for long range hunting and shooting... im still in load development with it but 600 yards is a cake walk all day long. I wanted the bigger bullet for more energy at impact... 30 cals dont give what i want at long range like 1200+ yards... with that said.. i will only shoot at hogs that far away... even as good as my rig is so far i wouldnt shoot a deer at over 800 yards... if i had to shoot that far... likes been stated... you gotta get real good with the long shots... it takes a few years of good practice and lots of learning... and tons of money on tools to aid... like a kestrel and range finder... thats a must.... and they gotta be the good ones... then learn to read conditions too... reading the wind takes lots of time spent in the feild... lots more practice.... just be prepared... the long range game is fun but it takes a good while to get decent..

 

[JRS]

...If I feel I can't get an arrow off cleanly, that animal will live to see another day!

Well then if you can guarantee that shot you are an ethical hunter

But the OP cold never guarantee a shot from a rifle at 1400 yards due to environmental forces he cannot control. No matter how much he practices.

And neither can anybody else guarantee a shot. I see guys that can't hit a pie plate at 50 yards. The gangs drive and shoot at running deer in the brush and laurel. Bullets can hit a limb or anything else. I have seen pass throughs with no blood. It is never a guarantee at any distance. We shoot longrange and never lost a deer. If you make a bad hit they don't run they go a few feet and lay down. Now you finish it. When we hunt we see the whole mountain. You see the bullet go and compensate on the next shot. I bet there are far more deer lost with close range gun and bow. Matt

Like I stated Matt: If I can't get the shot off cleanly, I won't take it. That animal can walk away, and we will both be happy

 

[effendude]

The OP didn't start an ethics post. How about we take that topic and make it a stand alone post?

Scott

 

[dkhunt14]

I am not referring to anybody. I have seen a lot of dumb things happen. Anybody can have an unfortunate incident where something doesn't work like it should. Nothing is absolute. Like I said I have seen simple bullet failures and other things happen. In the last 5 years while longrange hunting we have killed 2 bucks that somebody else had wounded. One couldn't go no more and one didn't show any sign at all. It was shot high through the back leg and the whole quarter was infected. It surely would of died. I even saw a button buck killed and the guy hit it on the button and knocked it loose. The shock of it must of killed it. It wasn't long range either. Matt

 

[Webster]

Is he going to take his wheel chair out to pick up his kill at 1400 yds wheeling thru the woods? How many wounded deer do you think he will leave in the woods? A 10 MPH cross wind at 1400 yds. is probably more than 15 feet hold off. Do you really think you can make that call one shot cold bore, no rest and taking a wild guess at what the wind will do. Some people seem to think they can just buy an expensive rifle and accomplish miracle feats. You will probably wound 25 deer for every one you kill.

 

[hogpatrol]

well... this thread went to crap

That's because the sanctimonius, self appointed, know-it-all, my way or the highway hunting ethics trolls and closet PETA members decided they wanted to hijack the thread and preach religion instead of answering the OP's question. Happens EVERY time!

 

[Hydenseek]

This is amuzing. More deer are shot and lost every year by a bow and arrow than long range rifle hunters by far. If you shoot a deer and hit it perfect with a bow it's likely to run 50 yards and die slowly. Is that still humane because you hit where you were aiming?