The buds gun shop RR remington timing

[Park ranger]

Actually Dan Armstrong is in Fairbanks. He is the "MAN" when it comes to the Remington for timing and extraction.

#neveragain. My bolt job won’t fit my Chassis

 

[garandman]

@urbanrifleman ... well said. For me, benchrest is too equipment based / mostly an equipment race. Cash is king in buying the latest greatest.

*I* am the shooter. I want my groups to reflect my skill, not my net worth.

 

[butchlambert]

#neveragain. My bolt job won’t fit my Chassis

So, what did Dan say when you contacted him? I am confused though, what does a "chassis" have to do with timing a bolt handle and tig welding it?

 

[msinc]

The handles are cast. They have used the same mold and the same soldering fixture for many many years. It puts them in the same wrong spot every time

Yeah, I mean I get the whole Ferrari cream puff/Chevy schitt box argument....but hasn't Remington been making guns for a few years now?? Don't they claim the title of "America's oldest gunmaker"?? Don't the pistons fit reasonably well in a Chevy, like they do in Ferrari in spite of the price spread??
Come on "Big Green" you been making guns for some 200 odd years now!!! Looks like to me you could have at least gotten this bolt handle location thing nailed down by now!!!!!

 

[drover]

So, what did Dan say when you contacted him? I am confused though, what does a "chassis" have to do with timing a bolt handle and tig welding it?

I am curious to hear the answer to this also, I can't think of any connection of bolt handle timing and the bolt not fitting a chassis.

drover

 

[butchlambert]

@urbanrifleman ... well said. For me, benchrest is too equipment based / mostly an equipment race. Cash is king in buying the latest greatest.

*I* am the shooter. I want my groups to reflect my skill, not my net worth.

I understand, but we all have different desires. I am more in line with building, machining, and doing my own tools. I'm not a gun range whore. If my deer rifle shoots less than 1 moa with a cold, hot, dirty, or clean barrel everytime, I don't waste anymore supplies.
Actually the money spent on a top of the line custom is actually a small part of a comp shooters yearly expense. I built my custom carbon fiber-redwood laminated Bat action rifle about 15years or so ago. Other than a few replacement barrels, it has only cost me 1 time. All of the supplies, traveling, food, drinks, and entry fees go on all the time.
You don't see any competitors shooting a factory receiver type rifle in serious competition. It will cost as much to buy and truly bring a factory receiver to close to a custom.
garadman, go for what pleases you. You only have to satisfy yourself, not the rest of us.

 

[butchlambert]

Butch,
I don’t wish to jump to a conclusion or misconstrue your words. Perhaps you could define serious competition.
Jim

Jim, I would say any registered match.

 

[Park ranger]

So, what did Dan say when you contacted him? I am confused though, what does a "chassis" have to do with timing a bolt handle and tig welding it?

He told me to take a dremal tool to cut my tube gun Chassis to give enough clearance for the bolt to fit. When I refused to cut my $1000 tube gun chassis and sent him pictures, he said it looks like I need a ruger m77 bolt handle for my Remington 700.

The bolt handle he used was some tactical odd shaped handle. The tig work was fine, but the customer service was such that I just ordered a factory bolt from Brownells and deal with the no primary extraction.

 

[butchlambert]

He told me to take a dremal tool to cut my tube gun Chassis to give enough clearance for the bolt to fit. When I refused to cut my $1000 tube gun chassis and sent him pictures, he said it looks like I need a ruger m77 bolt handle for my Remington 700.

The bolt handle he used was some tactical odd shaped handle. The tig work was fine, but the customer service was such that I just ordered a factory bolt from Brownells and deal with the no primary extraction.

Pictures? My Eliseo Chassis does not interfere at all with my bolt handle. What do you want for your junk bolt?

 

[Park ranger]

I’m not sure how to post pics here. It’s in my junk drawer somewhere. I’ll look for it and send you a PM.

To help paint a picture, A tube gun has the cut in the 130-2 0’clock range to cycle the bolt, correct? This fancy bolt handle would have to almost cut some on the picatany rail, so a 1230 orientation.

 

[butchlambert]

I’m not sure how to post pics here. It’s in my junk drawer somewhere. I’ll look for it and send you a PM.

To help paint a picture, A tube gun has the cut in the 130-2 0’clock range to cycle the bolt, correct? This fancy bolt handle would have to almost cut some on the picatany rail, so a 1230 orientation.

Without a pic I wouldn't know. I do not have that problem with my Eliseo and can't picture in my mind how a new handle could have enough difference in clocking and still function.

 

[Park ranger]

No, it won’t even slide in the Chassis. It don’t function. On a traditional stock it would be fine. Anyway, way off topic, I’m over it. $200 lesson

 

[butchlambert]

No, it won’t even slide in the Chassis. It don’t function. On a traditional stock it would be fine. Anyway, way off topic, I’m over it. $200 lesson

Look at an Eliseo Chassis and tell me the difference. That might help me understand.
I did have to install the receiver body and then the bolt.

 

[jimmymac]

@urbanrifleman ... well said. For me, benchrest is too equipment based / mostly an equipment race. Cash is king in buying the latest greatest.

*I* am the shooter. I want my groups to reflect my skill, not my net worth.

The first part has some merit. The equipment list is big in order to compete, although you do see a lot of older guns on the line where the competitor is pretty much buying bullets, powder and barrels. You don't need the latest and greatest to compete. Also, competition means different things for different people. Some guys go there more to socialize and hope for the best. Others are there to kick your behind.

The last sentence though, is not true. At the end of the day, it always comes down to shooter skill. If you can't consistently read the wind and keep your gun in tune you won't do well.

 

[garandman]

@jimmymac ... reading the wind has nothing to do with the equipment intensive nature of benchrest... with its lockdown, "tracking" joystick rests that almost entirely remove shooter holds and input.

Its a preference thing. And I prefer what I prefer.

 

[jimmymac]

@jimmymac ... reading the wind has nothing to do with the equipment intensive nature of benchrest... with its lockdown, "tracking" joystick rests that almost entirely remove shooter holds and input.

Its a preference thing. And I prefer what I prefer.

This has nothing to do with preference. You stated this:

"*I* am the shooter. I want my groups to reflect my skill, not my net worth"

The above statement simply isn't true. It has nothing to do with preference. Reading the wind has everything to do with it. It is a game of constant hold offs trying to achieve a zero inch group.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Its best to have some first hand experience with something before forming an opinion

 

[garandman]

You didnt read my post.

Reading the wind is in every precision rifle discipline.. even 3 position air rifle & CMP / DCM rifle and PRS competitiin. Its NOT unique to BR.

I don't "prefer" the $1000 joystick lock down tracking rests of bench rest that significantly remove shooter input. That is my point.

I regularly compete and place top 3 in 22 rim fire bench rest. I would use a rear bag & a bipod if they would let me but they insist on a front sand bag...

I dont like the $1000 + rests of benchrest.

Go ahead and like/prefer whatever you want. And allow me to do the same.

 

[garandman]

Its best to have some first hand experience with something before forming an opinion

It's best to actually read what other people are posting and understand what they are saying.

No... I * do not* Need to own a $1000 rest and compete with it to be able to decide I don't want to own a $1000 rest and compete with it.

And NO... I am not saying you are a bad person for preferring that type of competition.

Is it OK with you if I dont?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Then buy a $150 rest and squeeze the rear bag. You will win matches if your rifles tuned the best and you can read wind. Thats the assumptions Im talking about. If you have a real interest in learning what BR is, show up to a match. Im sure you will find guys willing to do anything they can to get you give it a shot.