Taking bets.

[4xforfun]

Well, I just got a care package from Sinclair.....

100 Berger 105 vld target

100 Berger 105 vld hunting

100 Berger 105 bt target

100 Berger 108 bt target

100 Hornday 105 Amax

100 Sierra 107 matchking

200 Lapua brass

I have about 1000 sorted "old" Berger 105 vld hunting.

Going to try RL 15 and Varget. Going to Try CCI 450's and Fed 205 match primers.


Should only take about 3 years and 2000 rounds do dile er in. ;D

Taking bets on bullet.

Side bet on powder.

 

[Geronimo Jim]

Git 'er done!

 

[tido250]

What cartridge?

 

[HillbillySniper]

I'm gonna guess 6br is the round up for bet!


Hillbilly

 

[ollie]

The way my luck goes the 105 a-max's would shoot lights out. I can never find enough to last a year.

 

[jamesh]

Well Tod,
Unless you sold your soul I doubt the “old” 105 VLDs are old enough to be the good ones so I will put my money on the 105 BTs with one reservation, what is the lot number of the 105 Amaxes?
Varget powder.
CCI 450 primers.
What’s the minimum wager and opening odds?
With -10º temps its’ going to be tough.
Oh, if you did sell your soul to get the good 105 VLDs don’t waste your time working up a load, just shoot them, you’ll do fine.

James

 

[soldierofchrist]

I'm guessing the 108 Bergers, Varget Powder, and CCI 450 Primers will be the best shooting.

 

[500x]

If I were a bettin' man, I would say the 107 SMK's and Varget

 

[alf]

105 Hunting VLD's, moly plated, hard in the lands, 205's sparkin' Varget.

No wait.........that's mine........


Here's a toast to you though...........hopin' you can't find a load.... ;D ;D

 

[DCRYDER]

I bet it will be the last load that you try, then your barrel will be on its last leg and when you try to get more of those bullets they will be "out of stock".

This is how my luck runs anyway.

 

[dogdude]

my mixture of componets is berger 105 vld, VV-140, 205M or 45O'S ten off the land's. hope the loads you try work quick!! dogdude

 

[rocketron]

I'm guessing the 108 Bergers, Varget Powder, and CCI 450 Primers will be the best shooting.

+1 works for me. my best 600 yd 20 shot relay is 198 12x

Ron

 

[4xforfun]

Oh ya....Dasher.

I guess I am hoping to become as proficiant at loading the dasher as I am with the 300 WBY. I have shot lots of diff bullets and lots of diff powders in lots of diff combinations over the last 20 years.....I can dial a wby in pretty fast.......just hoping to gain a few years experiance in the next 3 - 4 months with the dasher. My old dasher wasn't much of a "learning gun" because of it's propencity to EXPLODE for no friggen reason!!!! It will be at least a month before I get down and pick up my new gun, so hopefully the temp goes up about 70 degrees...its 25 below this morning!!!

As far as the "old" vld hunting bullets....I think I got them two summers ago....summer of '09.

I figure i can use my old brass from my old gun to start the loading process, and ff the new brass when I shoot foulers and breakin. I think out of 300 brass from the old gun I have 57 that still have tight enough primer pockets to hold a primer.

It seems to me that most of the dasher world shoots 105 class bullets with roughly the same load. Plus or minus 1/2 grain. And it looks like it is either varget or RL 15.

And every one shoots CCI 450 primers....well, everyone except one guy...he shoots Fed 205's......but what -N-L does he know.....World records and being SOY doesn't make him and expert!!! ;D

 

[queen_stick]

4x,

That looks like the list of stuff I got when my 6BR was completed. Be careful in your documentation... you can get overloaded with information real quick with that many variables.

I did a poor job documenting, and was just spraying lead down range until I found something I liked. Though it wasn't even close to a systematic approach, It worked well enough to find a good load for my BR. Good enough to beat the dasher's a few times in 1K competition!

 

[4xforfun]

I think the biggest challange for me is to get myself to load anyting that is not stuffed into the lands. i have always shot the vld's, and have always found that into the lands is king. I keep seeing that I should try all the way out to .150 off......even with the new VLD's. i just can't get myself to try it. i know that the non vld bullets may prefer to be seated away from the lands, and half of the bullets I am going to try are non vld's

 

[TonyR]

I would bet on Varget with the 450s and the 108BT just off the lands if you are testing 600 yards or less and the 105 hunting vld jammed .010-.015 if you are going to test out to 1000 yards. Maybe I've missed something, but I have been assuming that the current 105 VLD Hunting is the same as the "old" thin jacket 105 VLD. They did list a higher BC on some of the old boxes but it was well known that it was an optimistic number and the BC on the current generation of hunting VLDs seems to be pretty accurate and higher than the BC on the Target VLDs.

 

[queen_stick]

I think the biggest challange for me is to get myself to load anyting that is not stuffed into the lands. i have always shot the vld's, and have always found that into the lands is king. I keep seeing that I should try all the way out to .150 off......even with the new VLD's. i just can't get myself to try it. i know that the non vld bullets may prefer to be seated away from the lands, and half of the bullets I am going to try are non vld's

You and I think the same way! For some reason I just refuse to try backing the bullets off the lands because I'm content with what I have with them jammed. It won't hurt anything to try, so why not try it? I don't know!

TonyR is right... the hunting VLD's have a higher BC than the Target VLD's...

 

[4xforfun]

As far as the old/ new Berger thing...here is a summery of my take on what's up....(please correct me if I am wrong)

As far as the old/old comparo......the only difference between the hunting and target bullets was the thicker jacket on the target bullet.

As far as new/new....the target and hunting vld's are different from each other....the jackets are different and listed bc's are different. I would think the bearing serface is different if the bc (shape) is different.


New vs old..........the target bullets are different from each other and the hunting bullets are different from each other. Nothing is the same.

Back in the day, I never had a prblem with the hunting vs target bullets....they were the same,....bc, shape, bearing serface....everything...... and if I could get one to shoot, the other will shoot........same load, same oal, SAME EVERYTHING.

Now, it would seem.....not so much!!

 

[TonyR]

Here is the sequence of events as I understand it:
1) Berger makes one 105VLD for hunting and target.
2) People start to complain about bullets blowing up
3) People also notice that the BCs are too high
4) Bryan Litz joins Berger and we get shot not calculated BCs
5) Berger introduces thick jacket bullets to address concerns about bullets blowing up but keeps the same BC for hunting (thin) and target (thick jacket) bullets
6) Berger discovers that it must enlarge the meplats of the thick jacket target bullets to achieve the desired manufacturing tolerances and also adjusts the BC down to reflect the larger meplat.

Since it continued to make and sell bullets while all of this was going on, it is possible to have found many variations of quality(deviation from standards), packaging and labeling for what are now two distinct 105gr VLD bullets, target and hunting. As far as I have heard, the designs of both bullets are now stable, but it would be worth checking lot numbers with Berger before doing the test to avoid testing the early versions of the thick jacket bullets because those are acknowledged by Berger to possibly have some variation from normal quality standards.

 

[Erik Cortina]

Well, I just got a care package from Sinclair.....

100 Berger 105 vld target

100 Berger 105 vld hunting

100 Berger 105 bt target

100 Berger 108 bt target

100 Hornday 105 Amax

100 Sierra 107 matchking

200 Lapua brass

I have about 1000 sorted "old" Berger 105 vld hunting.

Going to try RL 15 and Varget. Going to Try CCI 450's and Fed 205 match primers.


Should only take about 3 years and 2000 rounds do dile er in. ;D

Taking bets on bullet.

Side bet on powder.

Where's the Lapua Scenars? That's what I would bet on!