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Tackdriver VI rifles

This match format has drawn the best of the best. At the target distance, the very mature 6 PPC still seems to rule the roost. The trigger drivers certainly are the decided difference. Actions, barrels and stocks are chosen by the drivers to suit their style. Then it comes down to dealing with Mother Nature.

I am still interested in seeing a comprehensive equipment list to see how the F-Class shooters placed against the BR types. What would happen if the match was conducted beyond 300 yards?
 
What would happen if the match was conducted beyond 300 yards?
You'd see a huge change in the equipment list. I shoot a PPC in our local ground hog matches 2,3, and 500 yards with no flags. More than anything to prepare for the tack driver. But if the wind picks up, its a handful at 500. If the tack driver was a 500 yard match, the PPC would be at a huge disadvantage,

The beauty of 330 yards, your on the edge of ultimate performance from a ppc to the big sixes. The perfect set up to combine the different shooting disciplines in my opinion.

Kudos to Jim Cline for coming up with this format. The distance and targets are a perfect fit
 
This match format has drawn the best of the best. At the target distance, the very mature 6 PPC still seems to rule the roost. The trigger drivers certainly are the decided difference. Actions, barrels and stocks are chosen by the drivers to suit their style. Then it comes down to dealing with Mother Nature.

I am still interested in seeing a comprehensive equipment list to see how the F-Class shooters placed against the BR types. What would happen if the match was conducted beyond 300 yards?
In my opinion, The Tack Driver is a Short Range Benchrest Match masquerading as a Long Range Match.
The distance is still within the “precision” flag reading capabilities of the Short Range Game, and not so far out to take advantage of the superior down range ballistics of the bullet/cartridge combinations that are used in such Disciplines as F-Class and Precision Rifle.

In short, if you know how to read conditions and have a good idea as to how those conditions are going to affect the bullet’s journey to the target, go with the most accurate combination possible, At this time, that tends to be a well tuned 6PPC, 30BR, or one of the 6BR variants.

I was talking with a couple of shooters at The Tack Driver and the question of Flags came up. “What if there were no flags allowed”? Would this then swing the “advantage” to cartridges that are designed for longer range Disciplines? The only way to answer that question is to say….”no personal flags allowed”.

When Jim first conceived this Match, the thought was to answer the question as to the accuracy capabilities of various combinations at a distance that is kind of half way between Short Range and Long Range. 300 meters is the distance because that is as far out as Orangeburg can go.

300 meters might seem like a rather short distance in today’s world of shooting where the trend seems to promote shooting at extreme ranges. Almost all of the major bullet manufacturers promote BC over many of the other aspects of bullet performance. If you are shooting at distances where BC is an over riding factor, this is sound thinking. In Short Range, BC is barely an after thought. Extreme accuracy as defined by the agging capability of a bullet outweighs all other factors.

However, when you are attempting to consistently hit a 1 inch circle or place five shots in a 1/4 MOA group or less, 300 meters becomes quite the distance, especially at a Facility with wind characteristics of Orangeburg.

The simple fact is, The Tack Driver is still a Benchrest Match. A Benchrest Match that stretches the capabilities of the Combinations that are common in Short Range Benchrest, but does not seem to (at this time), capture the advantages of Combinations that are suited for longer distances.
 
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I started with an Ezell tuner, mounted on a 30" Hart 7mm 12 twist barrel
chambered in my newest wildcat based on a shortened 284 Winchester,
the 7.2-Greedmore. All this mounted in a highly modded MTD Oryx
stock, 4 inch wide front and 1.5" rudder. Stock trigger set to 10 ozs,
and my special barrel nut set in place but still shouldered the ol' fashion
way to a Savage PTA action. On top, a NF Comp 15-55 DDR-2......For the
main affair, I shot the last of the no longer produced 130gr SMKs. The
rifle has shot in the low ones. This rifle will evolve some more and will
bring it next year, with of course my typical testing changes......Just can't
give up my Savage Lego rifle builds in 7mm. New 7mm proto bullet used
in the Thursday match, I'll post up with some particulars in a later thread.

I did notice one other chassis build. Were there any others ??
 
6Bra H4895 2905~2925 105 Carpenter CCI 450 HS Precision 40x type stock I added wooden rudder and forearm slider weighted butt 20#+ Jewell trigger March 10x60 hi master Ezell tuner Shilen 8 twist chambered by Buffalo Creek Precision Barnard mdl S action
Dave ,you did extremely well with your setup. Hope you decide to return next year.
Michael
 
In my opinion, The Tack Driver is a Short Range Benchrest Match masquerading as a Long Range Match.
The distance is still within the “precision” flag reading capabilities of the Short Range Game, and not so far out to take advantage of the superior down range ballistics of the bullet/cartridge combinations that are used in such Disciplines as F-Class and Precision Rifle.

In short, if you know how to read conditions and have a good idea as to how those conditions are going to affect the bullet’s journey to the target, go with the most accurate combination possible, At this time, that tends to be a well tuned 6PPC, 30BR, or one of the 6BR variants.

I was talking with a couple of shooters at The Tack Driver and the question of Flags came up. “What if there were no flags allowed”? Would this then swing the “advantage” to cartridges that are designed for longer range Disciplines? The only way to answer that question is to say….”no personal flags allowed”.

When Jim first conceived this Match, the thought was to answer the question as to the accuracy capabilities of various combinations at a distance that is kind of half way between Short Range and Long Range. 300 meters is the distance because that is as far out as Orangeburg can go.

300 meters might seem like a rather short distance in today’s world of shooting where the trend seems to promote shooting at extreme ranges. Almost all of the major bullet manufacturers promote BC over many of the other aspects of bullet performance. If you are shooting at distances where BC is an over riding factor, this is sound thinking. In Short Range, BC is barely an after thought. Extreme accuracy as defined by the agging capability of a bullet outweighs all other factors.

However, when you are attempting to consistently hit a 1 inch circle or place five shots in a 1/4 MOA group or less, 300 meters becomes quite the distance, especially at a Facility with wind characteristics of Orangeburg.

The simple fact is, The Tack Driver is still a Benchrest Match. A Benchrest Match that stretches the capabilities of the Combinations that are common in Short Range Benchrest, but does not seem to (at this time), capture the advantages of Combinations that are suited for longer distances.
Agree 100%
I think if 400 yards were available in Orangeburg you’d see a whole different outcome. The ppc would still shine on its on, but that would put it on the ragged edge and open up opportunity for more of the bigger 6s and 6br variants to stand on the same step with the ppc
 
I love all these PPCs. I remember 25 years ago showing up at a Groundhog Match that went to 500 yards and being told to go home, it would not shoot that far, then guys laughing at my tuners. My turn to laugh, their all shooting PPCs with tuners these days. Leave the match alone, it has proven to be a real test and I think shown it's the Indian that day that wins, not the arrow, but a straight arrow flies truest.
 
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I have had a lot of discussion over the ideal cartridge for this match. Its not any easy one. Its far enough and conditions are hard enough that I dont think this is just a ppc match. It does well because it is accurate but because the majority are shooting one and they know how to read the flags. I do think a well tuned BR, BRA, Dasher, are all top choices. There will be a 25x47 there next year, thats also a very good choice. The 30 BR or bigger are also good choices. We will be experimenting with a few wild cats to see if we can find something. You will see more long range guys next year. As more show up and talk to their buddies about the experience you will see more and more long range guys for sure.
 
I think Eric Cortina's 7mm Claymoor might be a fine cartridge for 300, but I would build it around a bullet in the 130-150 grain class. Of course, with my dismal showing this year, I accept that I have little credibility. I will again attempt to show that the 308 is still a splendid 300m cartridge. I'll probably have to wait until the nightmares stop before I start working on the next candidate. I have 7 potential 308 choices and will test them all.
Were there any 6.5's this year? A 6.5 BR, shooting 120's at 2700 should be easy to shoot and accurate enough. Any advantage to a larger hole is largely in the imagination. I often didn't see my 30 caliber holes simply because I didn't think to look that far away to find the hole. It was like my eye couldn't see what was right in front of it. WH
 
I have had a lot of discussion over the ideal cartridge for this match. Its not any easy one. Its far enough and conditions are hard enough that I dont think this is just a ppc match. It does well because it is accurate but because the majority are shooting one and they know how to read the flags. I do think a well tuned BR, BRA, Dasher, are all top choices. There will be a 25x47 there next year, thats also a very good choice. The 30 BR or bigger are also good choices. We will be experimenting with a few wild cats to see if we can find something. You will see more long range guys next year. As more show up and talk to their buddies about the experience you will see more and more long range guys for sure.
They may have a hard time finding an entry by the way Jim said that next year is filling up.
 
I think Eric Cortina's 7mm Claymoor might be a fine cartridge for 300, but I would build it around a bullet in the 130-150 grain class. Of course, with my dismal showing this year, I accept that I have little credibility. I will again attempt to show that the 308 is still a splendid 300m cartridge. I'll probably have to wait until the nightmares stop before I start working on the next candidate. I have 7 potential 308 choices and will test them all.
Were there any 6.5's this year? A 6.5 BR, shooting 120's at 2700 should be easy to shoot and accurate enough. Any advantage to a larger hole is largely in the imagination. I often didn't see my 30 caliber holes simply because I didn't think to look that far away to find the hole. It was like my eye couldn't see what was right in front of it. WH
Lol! You've been way too hard on yourself. We've all had bad days and yes, I think the cartridge can matter but it's much more about the Indian...and it just wasn't your day. Just live to fight another day and if you shoot your best, it'll show on the match report...win, lose or draw. If you shoot your best, you should not and likely won't have anything to be ashamed of. You shot in a tough crowd and no matter what you shoot in that crowd, or how great you are...it's gotta be YOUR DAY to come out on top in any BIG match. That's a huge difference between club matches and a big match. At a small match it can be your day and you run away from the field. But at a big match, ya gotta beat a few other top shooters even when it's THEIR DAY too! Big matches mean a lot, for this reason, more than any other, IMHO. But when you go home knowing you beat 130ish of the best shooters on the planet, even when they were on top of their game that day(s)...you did something you don't ever forget. Everything has to be working like a sewing machine and a little luck has to go your way too! If it's your day, any missed wind call or bad shot is on your sighter target. If not...it goes on your record target and you just became another also ran. Lol! Control what ya can and shoot a lot. Matches are won and lost before match day. Hang in there!
 
I think I posted my equipment on the wrong thread....
Bat B 1.4 Multi flat action with Bix and Andy Trigger
Bartlein 13.65 to 13.5 Gain twist 1.250 straight contour barrel 26" long and chambered in 6 PPC by myself
Nightforce Competition 15-15 with the DDR-2 Reticle
Stock made by myself...I'm making a few more so if you want one give me a call
Bullets that were made off of a Peinhardt die
N133 Powder.....Pre-loaded but used/tried several loads during the weekend
Lenzi front rest and rear bag
Total weight of the gun is just over 18 lbs

- I do think a ppc is a great choice but other options have and will win at Orangeburg.
 
Lol! You've been way too hard on yourself. We've all had bad days and yes, I think the cartridge can matter but it's much more about the Indian...and it just wasn't your day. Just live to fight another day and if you shoot your best, it'll show on the match report...win, lose or draw. If you shoot your best, you should not and likely won't have anything to be ashamed of. You shot in a tough crowd and no matter what you shoot in that crowd, or how great you are...it's gotta be YOUR DAY to come out on top in any BIG match. That's a huge difference between club matches and a big match. At a small match it can be your day and you run away from the field. But at a big match, ya gotta beat a few other top shooters even when it's THEIR DAY too! Big matches mean a lot, for this reason, more than any other, IMHO. But when you go home knowing you beat 130ish of the best shooters on the planet, even when they were on top of their game that day(s)...you did something you don't ever forget. Everything has to be working like a sewing machine and a little luck has to go your way too! If it's your day, any missed wind call or bad shot is on your sighter target. If not...it goes on your record target and you just became another also ran. Lol! Control what ya can and shoot a lot. Matches are won and lost before match day. Hang in there!
I agree. This has to be the toughest crowd to shoot with. My only goal was top 50% last year.
 

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