Swift Scirocco® II

[senderoll]

Had a new hunter using a Remington 700 in 30-06 kill his first nice deer in PA. He was using swift Scirocco® II 165 gr ammo. It’s was all we could find for him. Upon him shooting the deer at about 80-90 yards the deer folded right up. He called me and was very anxious. I told him to sit for at least 30 minutes to calm down. I would head that way which was better than a mile away. He did this and when he climbed down out of his ladder stand the buck took off. It was snowing really hard with about 3-4 inches on the ground. He called and I told him I would be there in a few minutes. Upon my arrival, he showed me where he shot the buck and where it fell. There were only a few drops of blood. The buck walked straight away in the woods. We found the deer about 100 yards away from where it was shot. Hardly any blood again just a few drops along the way. Looking at the deer , could not tell where it was shot? When he caped the deer out. He found the bullet on the entrance side of the deer. The bullet never penetrated into the chest cavity. Just a mushroomed perfectly on the rib cage. Inside the chest cavity was full of blood around heart and the lungs I don’t have any idea how this was possible. Any ideas?

 

[senderoll]

Couple more pictures

 

[HTSmith]

Praise God you found him. That would be a perfect mushroom if you found it on the far side under the skin. Never seen or heard of such and I've dressed several deer shot with the Swift bullets.

 

[Rem06]

View attachment 1305049View attachment 1305050Had a new hunter using a Remington 700 in 30-06 kill his first nice deer in PA. He was using swift Scirocco® II 165 gr ammo. It’s was all we could find for him. Upon him shooting the deer at about 80-90 yards the deer folded right up. He called me and was very anxious. I told him to sit for at least 30 minutes to calm down. I would head that way which was better than a mile away. He did this and when he climbed down out of his ladder stand the buck took off. It was snowing really hard with about 3-4 inches on the ground. He called and I told him I would be there in a few minutes. Upon my arrival, he showed me where he shot the buck and where it fell. There were only a few drops of blood. The buck walked straight away in the woods. We found the deer about 100 yards away from where it was shot. Hardly any blood again just a few drops along the way. Looking at the deer , could not tell where it was shot? When he caped the deer out. He found the bullet on the entrance side of the deer. The bullet never penetrated into the chest cavity. Just a mushroomed perfectly on the rib cage. Inside the chest cavity was full of blood around heart and the lungs I don’t have any idea how this was possible. Any ideas?

my guess is it passed through a few inch tree on its way?
check its path to tgt.

funny thing about using a scope in the woods. crosshairs that extend top to bottom hide small trees and 80-90yds. highly likely

 

[senderoll]

REM, that’s what I thought also. first thing I did was climb up in ladder stand and looked back where the deer was shot. Stand was in a seeder tree of a 5 year old clear cut. There wasn’t any tree in the directions thicker than a ball point pen. Pretty much was more like a field. The deer went back into the timber. Going back to PA this Thursday for flintlock season. I’ll have another look.

 

[Rem06]

View attachment 1305049View attachment 1305050Had a new hunter using a Remington 700 in 30-06 kill his first nice deer in PA. He was using swift Scirocco® II 165 gr ammo. It’s was all we could find for him. Upon him shooting the deer at about 80-90 yards the deer folded right up. He called me and was very anxious. I told him to sit for at least 30 minutes to calm down. I would head that way which was better than a mile away. He did this and when he climbed down out of his ladder stand the buck took off. It was snowing really hard with about 3-4 inches on the ground. He called and I told him I would be there in a few minutes. Upon my arrival, he showed me where he shot the buck and where it fell. There were only a few drops of blood. The buck walked straight away in the woods. We found the deer about 100 yards away from where it was shot. Hardly any blood again just a few drops along the way. Looking at the deer , could not tell where it was shot? When he caped the deer out. He found the bullet on the entrance side of the deer. The bullet never penetrated into the chest cavity. Just a mushroomed perfectly on the rib cage. Inside the chest cavity was full of blood around heart and the lungs I don’t have any idea how this was possible. Any ideas?

id shoot 19 more deer with that box!!!
awesome combination

 

[Rem06]

Hmmm. report back?
nice buck!

 

[senderoll]

REM, Will do.

 

[john 800]

I have no idea how a bullet hits where it did at that range and from that cartridge and leaves that result. I am also shocked you wrr able to recover the deer. Was he dead when you found him or did one of upu hit him again when you found him?

 

[senderoll]

John, when we found him he was down but still alive. We walked up on him to about 20 ft and it picked his head up, so he needed a to be finished. Never moved.

 

[john 800]

One thing that can cause a deer to drop is shock transmitted to the spine through a rib, basically they are knocked out, if that bullet penerated like one would expect he would have been dead before he woke up.
I am still shocked he didn’t run farther sooner while you were coming up on him.

 

[Tommie]

Hydrostatic shock is a powerful force.

 

[vonb]

If able, I'd run a few shells through a chronograph just to see that you're making velocity. It wouldn't surprise me today that a cartridge passed QC and was subpar.

Similar to your experience, I shot a buck this Fall with a .260 Rem using a 120 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. The load was 2,750 fps. The buck was 50 yards away with possible saplings in between. Upon retrieving the deer and field dressing, I noticed the slug on made it through one side of deer and into the vitals. It didn't make it to the off-side.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Most bullets(especially hunting bullets) have velocity range for optimal expansion/performance. Not familiar with these bullets but from appearance, the base is still long only the tip deformed. So low end of the velocity required for the bullet to expanded due to contact. Injury to the deer was more like a punch than penetration/tissue damage typical of bullet wounds. May have caused bruising to heart(muscle) and or minor bleeding in the lung, along with the temporary nerve interruption, that buck had a tough time moving away.

 

[senderoll]

The buck definitely hemorrhage severely in the chest cavity. Really struggled to move where we found it. Dom, who shot the deer said the recoil from the shot sounded and felt normal. I will be loading for him as soon as I find some bullets. Can’t find any 165-180 gr 30 cal. Bullets. No Accubonds, hornady, swift, Barnes. Nothing.

 

[Edd]

The buck definitely hemorrhage severely in the chest cavity. Really struggled to move where we found it. Dom, who shot the deer said the recoil from the shot sounded and felt normal. I will be loading for him as soon as I find some bullets. Can’t find any 165-180 gr 30 cal. Bullets. No Accubonds, hornady, swift, Barnes. Nothing.

I think I have a box of 180 A Frames I would sell.

 

[KMart]

Here is the link to the Swift bullet page. It has pictures of each type bullet that shows the expected performance at a given velocity. This may at least give you a visual.

Bullets

Swift Bullet Company offers tough, high-performance hunting bullets with excellent accuracy & terminal performance. Don't settle for less, trust in the best.

www.swiftbullets.com

 

[280AIDave]

That bullet does appear as if the velocity was adequate to expand? Muzzle velocity was... 2850 fps? I would think that that bullet was going 2500 fps at 90 yds/POI ? From the photo no sticks or twigs - wood fibers or damage to the bullet from any such fiber strike. The expansion process would surely have to have been initiated by resistance and the cavity photo shows ...2" penetration?? I will bet you a $1 that the bullet penetrated more and worked its way back along the entry track during the run. Two inches of soft tissue (hide/muscle and fa) travel alone is not enough to get that level of expansion.

Also, could it have been an angular raking shot and not a 90* broadside hit??

The un-mushroomed part of that bullet is about where the jacket starts to get very thick, I read somewhere that that particular bullet is more than 50% by weight copper.

 

[Gary in MD]

I personally would just consider that a fluke.
They are good hunting bullets pushed by a great cartridge. Chalk it up to one of those “tough to explain” things and keep on hunting.

 

[ohlongarm]

View attachment 1305049View attachment 1305050Had a new hunter using a Remington 700 in 30-06 kill his first nice deer in PA. He was using swift Scirocco® II 165 gr ammo. It’s was all we could find for him. Upon him shooting the deer at about 80-90 yards the deer folded right up. He called me and was very anxious. I told him to sit for at least 30 minutes to calm down. I would head that way which was better than a mile away. He did this and when he climbed down out of his ladder stand the buck took off. It was snowing really hard with about 3-4 inches on the ground. He called and I told him I would be there in a few minutes. Upon my arrival, he showed me where he shot the buck and where it fell. There were only a few drops of blood. The buck walked straight away in the woods. We found the deer about 100 yards away from where it was shot. Hardly any blood again just a few drops along the way. Looking at the deer , could not tell where it was shot? When he caped the deer out. He found the bullet on the entrance side of the deer. The bullet never penetrated into the chest cavity. Just a mushroomed perfectly on the rib cage. Inside the chest cavity was full of blood around heart and the lungs I don’t have any idea how this was possible. Any ideas?

There is nothing set in stone when hunting deer.I took a young buck this weekend with my bow at 40 yards, through the jugular, he ran 400 yards full tilt before piling up. Glad you recovered the buck. ZI'll post a picture in the deer section .