Sweets 7.62, Butch's Bore Shine, and Boretech Eliminator

[Deleted old_dood]

having read that many use BBS I decided to make it my cleaning solvent of choice. My 223 barrel cleaned up very well with it. 3 or 4 patches, followed by a bronze brush, one or two more patches and then dry. The only blue on the patch was after the brush and not a hint of blue at any other time.

I had a little Boretech Eliminator left today and decided to try to use it up. I couldn't believe the amount of blue I was getting. I used the manufacturers instructions for cleaning. 3 wet patches, 10-15 strokes with nylon brush, wet patch, let sit for a few minutes, and dry. every patch came out with heavy blue.

After drying, tried BBS again. One wet patch, let it sit, next wet patch had no blue.

Tried Sweets 7.62. stroked for a minute, left 15 minutes, next dry patch had a "hint" of blue on it.

Can anyone explain this?

Is Eliminator that good at copper detection/removal?

 

[WyleWD]

That has been my experience with Boretech Eliminator. WD

 

[Raythemanroe]

Eliminator is what I use now. I do follow up with BBS and then some oil then a dry patch..


Ray

 

[LHSmith]

#1- is your jag brass?
#2- most bore cleaners degrade over time- especially if exposed to light and heat
#3- getting the last trace of copper out of a barrel is not a prerequisite to accuracy.....on the contrary, it will most likely take more fouling shots to condition the bore.

 

[Deleted old_dood]

#1- is your jag brass?
#2- most bore cleaners degrade over time- especially if exposed to light and heat
#3- getting the last trace of copper out of a barrel is not a prerequisite to accuracy.....on the contrary, it will most likely take more fouling shots to condition the bore.

Dewey rod with aluminum ferrule and aluminum jag. I've got a new bottle of Eliminator coming so I'll see if it happens with new stuff.

 

[SS427]

Did it improve accuracy?

 

[Deleted old_dood]

Did it improve accuracy?

I don't think so. the rifle has a PacNor 223AI chambered barrel. when I fireformed and broke in with the first group of 100 cases, I used Eliminator. After the break in rounds, didn't really see significant copper build up. I then used BBS afterwards, cleaning about every 25 rounds. After about 1000 rounds of just cleaning with BBS, I tried the Eliminator and noticed the heavy blue on the patches. Interesting note: when just using Eliminator I found it hard to get rid of the fine dark streaking on patches. They go away completely with BBS.

 

[DeltaBravo]

dood,

Your experience is exactly why I use BT Eliminator now. Tried Wipe Out/Accelerator; Sweets; TM Solution; Hoppes; and a couple others I don't recall. All came out clean, but then a BTE patch showed either black or blue or both. I only use BTE now and apply Kroil/graphite to the bore for storage.

Dennis

 

[nakneker]

Bore tech eliminator has really performed well for me.I went through the whole "what to use" thing a couple years ago, ended up choosing Eliminator with excellent results.

I use nylon brushes and aluminum jags, it helps ensure the blue is from Cooper in the barrel

 

[powderbrake]

I also went through Sweets, Butches and others, before trying Bore Tech stuff. I use Bore Tech Carbon remover, then Bore Tech C+ copper remover. I understand that Eliminator is a mixture of the two. It has certainly made cleaning the bore a lot easier.
I also use the Dewey Copper Eliminator series of rods, jags and brushes, all of which have no brass or copper containing parts. When you see blue, you know it's from the bore.

 

[DeltaBravo]

After shooting (usually 30 rounds or more without cleaning) I wet a patch with Kroil and run it thru the bore once. Then I soak a brass brush with Kroil and make a couple passes. Then patch that out and run a couple patches with BTE and let it sit. Then I run several passes with a nylon brush (aluminum core) and then dry patch a couple times. I then run two BTE patches thru the bore and put the rifle away until the following day (sometimes two days). When I run a clean patch thru the bore I get ONE really blue patch and MAYBE one more faint blue patch. I run a couple BTE patches again and let sit for a half hour and run the nylon brush again, then patch out. I usually get no color on this patch or the next so I dry the bore and then store the rifle with my Kroil/graphite mix until the next shoot.

At the range, I run a dry patch thru to get rid of most of the Kroil mix and then run a Lock EZ patch thru it and let it "dry" before running a dry patch thru once. Then I shoot and the process starts all over again. YMMV of course.

Dennis

 

[LCazador]

I don't know how many of you have a bore scope, but that's the only way to tell if your cleaning products and procedures are working. I've tried bore tech eliminator and I didn't find anything special about it. As a matter it took longer to accomplish the same thing with Eliminator as my combo of Sweets and BBS. This was verified by bore scope, no guessing. I run two patches with Sweets, let sit for 10 minutes then use phosphor bronze brush with bronze core soaked with Bore Shine. I verify results with bore scope after every cleaning.

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

I don't know how many of you have a bore scope, but that's the only way to tell if your cleaning products and procedures are working. I've tried bore tech eliminator and I didn't find anything special about it. As a matter it took longer to accomplish the same thing with Eliminator as my combo of Sweets and BBS. This was verified by bore scope, no guessing. I run two patches with Sweets, let sit for 10 minutes then use phosphor bronze brush with bronze core soaked with Bore Shine. I verify results with bore scope after every cleaning.

BINGO!

 

[DeltaBravo]

Yup, that's certainly the best way to verify the cleaning process. The one I outlined above has been verified numerous times with my Hawkeye borescope. I don't check all that often anymore since every time I do, the process has shown to be effective, just like before.

Dennis

 

[Canadian bushman]

Pretty much anything turns bortech eliminator blue. I can soak a patch and hold it between my fingers and it turns blue.

You know when its copper because its will be a dark blue/green. When its the jag or something else it will be a light blue.

Im not bashing the stuff, i like it and use it, but i dont use it to cut heavy copper nor do i run patches until they stay white.
The best thing about boretech eliminator is that it will not hurt a barrel and doesnt seem to throw the first shot off as bad as other solvents.

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

For you guys that are looking for the better mouse trap here some stuff a friend of mine has just started using to write a shooting article. He says its the best.

https://www.natchezss.com/gun-bore-cleaner-7-6oz-bottle.html

 

[Zero333]

Montana X-treme 50bmg is the best but I don't like it because the odor will kill you.

Tried everything I could find and Barnes CR-10 is my go to copper remover.
Other two I recommend are... "Hoppes Benchrest copper remover" and "Butches Bore Shine".

Let the borescope be the judge.

 

[LHSmith]

I don't know how many of you have a bore scope, but that's the only way to tell if your cleaning products and procedures are working. I've tried bore tech eliminator and I didn't find anything special about it. As a matter it took longer to accomplish the same thing with Eliminator as my combo of Sweets and BBS. This was verified by bore scope, no guessing. I run two patches with Sweets, let sit for 10 minutes then use phosphor bronze brush with bronze core soaked with Bore Shine. I verify results with bore scope after every cleaning.

I'll have to agree here, with the simple caveat that on- target results dictate what regimen each of my barrels receive. Squeaky (totally-white patch) clean usually means extra foulers to re-condition the bore. No question, the bore scope can head off developing problems before they become big problems.

 

[jsthntn247]

When using eliminator only use their jag or it will drive you nuts.