Surplus ammo is junk! Here is proof

[stool]

the really good news is that no matter how much he whines about how THEY USE to do it, we do it better today.
yes we could go on and on about how it was done when little eddie was in the english service, or we could do what intelligent shooters do..take yesterdays rifle, and modern accuracy techniques and modern ammo and have fun.

no where in this discussion of MOSIN NAGANT's was the subject of rules...nowhere.


we do not care about your enfield affliction.

 

[stool]

who says so ???
russian ammo is tested at 300...
us mil ammo was tested at 600yds...
some surplus rifles do not even have sights that go down to 100 yds!
the subject was milsurplus ammo....
not vintage re-enactment.

you are so full of it.

One thing you are forgetting is that military rifles are tuned to issued ammunition to a minimum group size at 100 yards. Military rifles used in competition are "tuned" even further by bedding and changing the up pressure at the fore end tip. A No.4 Enfield rifle had a range of 2 to 7 pounds of up pressure at the fore end tip to "tune the rifle" to change barrel vibrations.

Without a manual written in English for the Mosin (noisy magot) you have no idea what the bedding requirements for a standard issued combat rifle was or a sniper rifle. Also you will not have a manual for the Mosins rifles used in competition and their bedding methods.

But I'm sorry to say your testing means nothing without a rifle that has been worked on by a Russian or communist bloc armourer to shoot tight groups. This is why I pointed out earlier about the Enfield rifle and manuals written in the English language.

Any No.4 Enfield rifle sent to Holland and Holland for conversion to a No.4 (T) sniper rifle was rejected out right and sent back to their owning organzation if the rifle did not have the required 2 to 7 pounds of up pressure at the fore end tip. Meaning if the Enfield rifle wasn't bedded properly Holland and Holland wouldn't waste their time trying to made a bad rifle shoot better.

Simple put you "mosin sniper" has paper shims under the receiver to compensate for wood crush on a worn out stock and a properly bedded Mosin would shoot much better. Also you are shooting two different bullet weights and your "match grade" ammunition shot no better than standard ammunition which proves my point. Your Mosin needs bedding work and maybe even a new barrel before your tests mean anything in real world testing.

The title of your posting should be "Is my surplus ammunition junk or is my mock Mosin sniper rifle junk?"

 

[jonbearman]

WOW!

 

[Grimstod]

Mosins are so controversial 8) :

Just remember guys it nothing personal. We all have egos that have to be checked every once in a while. :-X

 

[bigedp51]

WOW!

Yes, such a hateful little man and so full of bovine scat or should I say excess stool samples.

And why did the OP take so long to post the manual information..............................he just found.

And why does his mock Mosin sniper shoot so poorly.

And why isn't he making his statement in a milsurp forum.......................because he would get his backside kicked by milsurp collectors.

 

[Grimstod]

In my original post I asked for comments. Thus when I respond I try very hard not to demote them no matter how negative they may be. In your post you asked for more info on Mosin manual and such so I gave you some. Why argue with people on line? Descartes once said "I think, therefore I exist." I don't feel the need to be gratified on the existence of me or my knowledge by others even though it does feel good every once in a while.

 

[bigedp51]

In my original post I asked for comments. Thus when I respond I try very hard not to demote them no matter how negative they may be. In your post you asked for more info on Mosin manual and such so I gave you some. Why argue with people on line? Descartes once said "I think, therefore I exist." I don't feel the need to be gratified on the existence of me or my knowledge by others even though it does feel good every once in a while.

This is very simple, you have not proved the accuracy of the *mock Mosin sniper rifle you are using and therefore have not proved ANYTHING in your accuracy tests of the ammunition you are shooting. You haven't even proved your *mock Mosin sniper rifle is properly bedded and worthy of using it as a test rifle.

You have come to Accurate shooter and claimed surplus ammunition is junk and haven't proved your *mock Mosin sniper rifle isn't junk.

Again you shot match grade ammunition in YOUR *mock Mosin sniper rifle and it didn't shoot any better than the standard issue ammunition. Meaning how do you know your mock Mosin sniper isn't a POS and then blame the ammo for the group size.

*mock Mosin sniper rifle: A fake reproduction of a Russian Mosin sniper rifle, cobbled together with left over parts by the surplus importer.

 

[bigedp51]

who says so ???
russian ammo is tested at 300...
us mil ammo was tested at 600yds...
some surplus rifles do not even have sights that go down to 100 yds!
the subject was milsurplus ammo....
not vintage re-enactment.

you are so full of it.

Honest stool sample my eyes are not as brown as yours.

Below is a 25 yard target used to sight in the Enfield rifle, in British English its called regulating the rifle. Once the rifle was "regulated" at 25 yards the distance was moved to 100 yards.

Below is the sight in table for 25 and 100 yards from the manual.

Even the No.4 (T) sniper rifle was sighted in (regulated) at 100 yards.

Sorry for the interruption but stool sample is a angry case greaser from castboolits forum that didn't like what I had to say about bolt thrust and lubing cases.

 

[bigedp51]

Where is CatShooter when you really need him? (he's using surplus 7.62 ammo below)

 

[stool]

would an adult point out to eddie that the discussion is
about
MOSIN NAGANT RIFLES..
not enfeilds.
and that if he wants to start a thread about his poor shooting enfields( he did loose the match)
START YOUR OWN THREAD

 

[stool]

as usual, add eddie to a thread and it goes down hill quickly......
here we where, having a chat about mn ammo and the next thing you know we have to comply with military configurations and tuning of rifles.....

( did you notice eddie still did not show any real guns( usa russia) where the mil proofed their ammo at 100yds)

in an effort to calm the waves i will not post on this thread any more ..it is out of control

 

[bigedp51]

as usual, add eddie to a thread and it goes down hill quickly......
here we where, having a chat about mn ammo and the next thing you know we have to comply with military configurations and tuning of rifles.....

( did you notice eddie still did not show any real guns( usa russia) where the mil proofed their ammo at 100yds)

in an effort to calm the waves i will not post on this thread any more ..it is out of control

Title of posting

Surplus ammo is junk! Here is proof

Below regulating or sighting in an Enifled rifle.

Below surplus South African .303 British ammo that isn't junk.

Part of my milsurp collection, Commie Pinko rifles on the left and British Enfields on the right.

And below stool sample you small little man is called a bring back.

Surplus ammo is NEVER junk when you buy the good stuff and use it for suppression and covering fire in Zombie attacks.

 

[Patch700]

Hahaha... That made me chuckle " Trading material"... "Off limits"

 

[Ggmac]

Grinstod, I was not laughing at myself , it was your posts that get the laugh . Either your in grade school just dreaming or you need to take a couple of course in probability and statistics . Your ammo post proves only one thing , you do not understand how to evaluate , compare or examine the basics of a test . Your post on cleaning guns really makes me appreciate how far apart we live . Running into you at a range would be dangerous.
I wasted enough of my time watching , reading and responding to a rude , arrogant ,young man .
Good luck , and if you want any real information , get a book . It is harder than clicking on a pad but usually published articles have PROVEN content .
Again , good luck in your future goals , Gary