Suppressor vs Break for .223 Varmint Rifle

[Chanse301]

While all the talk on this thread is about the suppressor and related hardware, I will tell you a very aggravating story. I have been waiting 13+ months for a can that arrived at my dealer on July 2013. Why so long you ask? Because the dealer took 47 days to mail a form 4 from half way across Ohio. Then he didn't turn the completed form from 2 sided to one as the ATF requires. Had I not been proactive, my paperwork would have been denied and I would have started over. Now bear in mind that this is a top end can that was fully paid for as well as the $200.00 stamp. I will tell you that the ATF people that I dealt with were very helpful and pleasant to deal with, once they heard my story. Just last week, I received word from the dealer that he got the paperwork and I was free to pick up my can. All I'm telling you guys is research your dealer like you do you suppressor. Please refrain from asking who the dealer is, as I wasn't raised that way.
Lloyd

While all the talk on this thread is about the suppressor and related hardware, I will tell you a very aggravating story. I have been waiting 13+ months for a can that arrived at my dealer on July 2013. Why so long you ask? Because the dealer took 47 days to mail a form 4 from half way across Ohio. Then he didn't turn the completed form from 2 sided to one as the ATF requires. Had I not been proactive, my paperwork would have been denied and I would have started over. Now bear in mind that this is a top end can that was fully paid for as well as the $200.00 stamp. I will tell you that the ATF people that I dealt with were very helpful and pleasant to deal with, once they heard my story. Just last week, I received word from the dealer that he got the paperwork and I was free to pick up my can. All I'm telling you guys is research your dealer like you do you suppressor. Please refrain from asking who the dealer is, as I wasn't raised that way.
Lloyd

This is a good point, as is researching yours sheriff's opinion/actions. Our local sheriff turned my paperwork around in 24 hours. My brother lives in Tucson and it's my understanding that they had to sue that guy as he was notorious for sitting on paperwork forever, causing the state to pass a law requiring him to process it in 30 days or it's automatically approved.

Point being, if you have a huge Lib sheriff that feels he has the right to trample on your rights , go through a trust. Then find a decent person to run against his ***.

Ha. Hopefully I won't run into any sort of trouble like that. I come from a very outdoorsy sort of place. Fun fact, I'm pretty sure Seekins Precision is from Lewiston, as is ATK or Blunt or Speer or whatever they're callin that damn company these days. But, when I decide to pick up what will probably be a harvester, I will see if money allows it probably a rimfire can as well.

Savage is coming out with the A17 next month. Semi-auto .17 HMR with a new delayed release for cycling the bolt. Birthday month or two after that. Told the old man I found my birthday present!

 

[RIFLE1]

Look into Silencertech Rhino,.. keeps the rifle flat. As for first shot shift,... hmmm,... Yeah, Silencertech doesn't have that problem either. Never did.....

Seriously, the issue of keeping the .30 caliber can for everything is not an issue. I have let a number of people check my 22,... 30 and 338 caliber Silencertech cans out,.. and it equates to which can has more internal volume. More volume equals better sound reduction. No voodoo, just the way it is. Obviously baffle design and numbers have and effect on sound reduction, but not like volume. Similar to horsepower, no substitute for cubic inches.

Rifle1

 

[Chanse301]

Look into Silencertech Rhino,.. keeps the rifle flat. As for first shot shift,... hmmm,... Yeah, Silencertech doesn't have that problem either. Never did.....

Seriously, the issue of keeping the .30 caliber can for everything is not an issue. I have let a number of people check my 22,... 30 and 338 caliber Silencertech cans out,.. and it equates to which can has more internal volume. More volume equals better sound reduction. No voodoo, just the way it is. Obviously baffle design and numbers have and effect on sound reduction, but not like volume. Similar to horsepower, no substitute for cubic inches.

Rifle1

Will look into it. I have heard somethin' along those lines, where it's not always the sound reduction that matters either. Analogy the guy used was his daughter crying high pitch vs a dog barking at the same dB. High pitch will scare the shit out of you, and a rock chuck or yote etc.

Will have to look into the price for all these aswell. Top of my head (reading other forums) the YHM Phantom was a good one at the pricepoint... Think around 600 + stamp etc. Oh well. More research to be put in after I'm done studying Pharmacogenomics... and ceutics, cology, therapies and management. Procrastination at it's worst!

Thanks for the advice, but damn you for distracting me. Now I gotta google the Rhino ha.

EDIT: Couldn't find product of Silencertech branded Rhino. Just some guy thanking Barry Brass (sp?) for his Rhino suppressor on silencertechs facebook page. Any ideas?

 

[5spd]

Once you shoot w/ a suppressor on your rigs you will wonder why you didn't do it eons ago!

I went with the Thunderbeast 30p-1 titanium since they are right here in town & great people!

 

[Prairiedogger]

Go with the Suppressor. I have just received my TBAC 30p1 from jail. It works great on my22-250 and 6.5. The new line at
Thunderbeast is claiming quieter. Bite the bullet and get it on the way. Look into the trust for the owner. You can have multiple trusties.
It's worth the money.

 

[1shot]

It has been a week since I got my Sandstorm made by Gemtech. So far, I can tell you there is no POI shift with full power ammo in either my carbine length 300 Blk Out or a 16" bbl. 308. Obviously with subs, there is a different POI but that's to be expected. The noise reduction is indescribable. The 308 bolt rifle is so quiet you hear little things like the firing pin spring resetting. On the AR, the loudest thing is the BCG movement, the sound of the buffer spring movement and the empty brass bouncing around in the brass catcher. Accuracy testing when it warms up a little.
Lloyd

 

[Chanse301]

Once you shoot w/ a suppressor on your rigs you will wonder why you didn't do it eons ago!

I went with the Thunderbeast 30p-1 titanium since they are right here in town & great people!

Heard a lot of great stuff bout Thunderbeast. They seem to be the top choice if ones willing to spend the little extra cash.

Go with the Suppressor. I have just received my TBAC 30p1 from jail. It works great on my22-250 and 6.5. The new line at
Thunderbeast is claiming quieter. Bite the bullet and get it on the way. Look into the trust for the owner. You can have multiple trusties.
It's worth the money.

As soon as I round up the cash, I think I'm going to go ahead and order it. One of those things i wish I would have started with first, instead of pickin up a scope. Still haven't seen it, and apparently my dad's been goin around showing it off to his hunting buddies lol.

It has been a week since I got my Sandstorm made by Gemtech. So far, I can tell you there is no POI shift with full power ammo in either my carbine length 300 Blk Out or a 16" bbl. 308. Obviously with subs, there is a different POI but that's to be expected. The noise reduction is indescribable. The 308 bolt rifle is so quiet you hear little things like the firing pin spring resetting. On the AR, the loudest thing is the BCG movement, the sound of the buffer spring movement and the empty brass bouncing around in the brass catcher. Accuracy testing when it warms up a little.
Lloyd

Everything I'll be using it on is a bolt action I imagine. And from what I've read/heard, they work best on bolt actions, as you don't have the sound of the mechanics and gas pushing the spring to eject the round.

So tough to make a decision though. The dB readings on all of them are within a few... Guess it just comes down to quality, since they all produce about the same noise reduction. Save money and get a gemtech/silencerco or spring for a thunderbeast. Always been one to save up and splurge when its somethin you'll have for years to come.

 

[jmitchell135]

The thunderbeast is advertised as a "precision" suppressor. I bought my 30BA in 2011. I bought a 22lr can at the same time and can say I don't like to shoot anything without them now.
I even do my load workups counting on having the can on. My 223, 6.5, and 308 all do well with it. I've been debating on getting another 30 cal can.

 

[Chanse301]

The thunderbeast is advertised as a "precision" suppressor. I bought my 30BA in 2011. I bought a 22lr can at the same time and can say I don't like to shoot anything without them now.
I even do my load workups counting on having the can on. My 223, 6.5, and 308 all do well with it. I've been debating on getting another 30 cal can.

Yeah. Precisionrifleblog I think? sums up what all the professional shooters use at some national competition, and TBA represented over half the suppressors at the event. While TBA could just be sponsoring all those shooters or somethin to off-set numbers, it still goes to show it has to do it's job well. Haven't ever really heard a complaint except the higher pricetag.

Honestly that's what I want to do. Probably go with a 30 cal can just for the future, and a rimfire can for the Savage A17 thats comin out next month. I suppose i'll have to look into whether or not you'd even be able to use a suppressor with a system like that. Would it mess with the pressures ya think?

The 30 cal can works well enough on the 223 then? Wouldn't be worth it to get a specific 223, I can't imagine.

EDIT: Just looked at the rimfire suppressor by TBAC... sold. Not as pricey either. Pick em both up at hte same time tho. Can't get one and not the other hah. Paperwork prob be easier too.

 

[jmitchell135]

Yeah. Precisionrifleblog I think? sums up what all the professional shooters use at some national competition, and TBA represented over half the suppressors at the event. While TBA could just be sponsoring all those shooters or somethin to off-set numbers, it still goes to show it has to do it's job well. Haven't ever really heard a complaint except the higher pricetag.

Honestly that's what I want to do. Probably go with a 30 cal can just for the future, and a rimfire can for the Savage A17 thats comin out next month. I suppose i'll have to look into whether or not you'd even be able to use a suppressor with a system like that. Would it mess with the pressures ya think?

The 30 cal can works well enough on the 223 then? Wouldn't be worth it to get a specific 223, I can't imagine.

EDIT: Just looked at the rimfire suppressor by TBAC... sold. Not as pricey either. Pick em both up at hte same time tho. Can't get one and not the other hah. Paperwork prob be easier too.

Silencershop.com does dB comparison videos on their youtube channel. Comparing the Silencerco Saker 556 and 762 versions on a 556, the 762 version was quieter. Something to do with the size of the can and space for the gas to expand to maybe?

ETA:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzi60nGN0s

 

[Chanse301]

Yeah. Precisionrifleblog I think? sums up what all the professional shooters use at some national competition, and TBA represented over half the suppressors at the event. While TBA could just be sponsoring all those shooters or somethin to off-set numbers, it still goes to show it has to do it's job well. Haven't ever really heard a complaint except the higher pricetag.

Honestly that's what I want to do. Probably go with a 30 cal can just for the future, and a rimfire can for the Savage A17 thats comin out next month. I suppose i'll have to look into whether or not you'd even be able to use a suppressor with a system like that. Would it mess with the pressures ya think?

The 30 cal can works well enough on the 223 then? Wouldn't be worth it to get a specific 223, I can't imagine.

EDIT: Just looked at the rimfire suppressor by TBAC... sold. Not as pricey either. Pick em both up at hte same time tho. Can't get one and not the other hah. Paperwork prob be easier too.

Silencershop.com does dB comparison videos on their youtube channel. Comparing the Silencerco Saker 556 and 762 versions on a 556, the 762 version was quieter. Something to do with the size of the can and space for the gas to expand to maybe?

ETA:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzi60nGN0s

Well screw it then. Seems the only real benefit would be a tad lighter. Thanks for the vid.